I totally understand why a number of you are willing to trade away a pick or picks for Clowney. His potential and athleticism are tantalizing. He could go a long way towards helping cover for our CBs. With L. Williams, Q. Williams, H. Anderson and Clowney, the Jets could have a devastating pass rush. The thing is, however, at what cost? Do we wind up not being able to get a quality LT in the draft next year or not get a quality center? Do we have to cut 2-3 players at other positions that we'd otherwise keep and would be solid contributors, and weaken ourselves at those positions? Would signing Clowney prevent us from signing Robby Anderson and/or Leonard Williams following this season? Would it preclude our signing a FA CB camp cut or one during FA next year? Would it prevent our upgrading depth across the roster?
Chris Olsen is the interim GM and is sharing the duties between himself, Matt Bazirgan ( director of player personnel), James Liipfert (Director of college scouting), and Jack Easterby (executive vice president, team development).
. All the reports are that he doesn't want to play in Miami as they are in full tank mode and have no chance of contending.
I just find it weird that he met with the front office and coaching staff if he has no desire whatsoever to play for them. Either way, if contending is on his list of demands, we can lock this thread up.
One thing I don't get. We just dumped Mac for being too cautious, slow to act. Douglas was immediately hailed the savior. He's going to build the Jets the same way he built the Eagles. The Eagles were built through FA and aggressive trades. Capitalizing on the QBs rookie deal, same as the Rams. Now Douglas is supposed to emulate Mac, and take a slow methodical approach, build through the draft the next year or two? We have a two year window (2019&2020) to maximize Darnold's rookie deal. There is almost no chance there is any football in 2021 and Darnold's 5th year salary will jump considerably. Then he's going to be in the $40 million plus per year club. Have to at least try to win it all on his rookie deal. There's a reason all our contracts have outs after 2-3 years. Winning franchise's maintain their core and the rest of the roster come and go.
I agree that it's weird. After the Barr fiasco, I am extremely hesitant to risk trading valuable picks for a seeming flake like Clowney who could decide to do the ultimate stiff job on the Jets by taking the money this year, having a great season, and then refusing to honor any handshake agreement and decide to enter FA. If we tried to tag him, we'd be in the same mess as the Texans are now. We've had enough of that kind of crap in the past. I'd rather trust Douglas' player evaluation skills by letting him sign a camp cut or three this year, and then having all of his top picks next year with which to upgrade the roster/address at least a couple of glaring needs at LT, C, WR, CB, OLB, and probably RG.
Leverage... Honestly I found it weird that Miami is interested. They are dumping all their vets , in full tank mode. They can't be offering their one without knowing if Rosen is their QB going forward. They must see Clowney as a player to build around.
As they should. It makes sense for them IMO but not if they are going to be giving up Tunsil which is what the original rumors were I think. Now it looks like they aren't, so if they can get Clowney without giving up Tunsil then they have three of the most important positions covered (assuming they think Rosen is their guy). It just doesn't make sense for Clowney.
I get what you're saying, but we were also below average in rounds 2-5 during the Maccagnan era. As I've said before, the 2020 class is supposed to be strong at OT and WR, 2 positions where we should upgrade. Might be a sneaky good class for CB's too. AFAIK, Darnold's rookie deal ends after the 2022 season as there's a team option for that year. I bet they use it. So, we have a 4 year window if there's no strike in 2021.
I disagree. We don't have the cap space at present and Clowney is looking to get paid. We have a ton of FAs next offseason with 9 of them starters and another 10-15 key backups.
The strike in 2021 is all but guaranteed. The 5th year is an option year which will see a large jump in salary as I clearly stated. No reason to waste the opportunity. Look at the Eagles recent drafts. Nothing to write home about but the trades and FAs won them a super bowl and have them in contention again.
No one said anything about taking a slow, methodical approach. That's your projection. Everything isn't an extreme. There is middle ground. There's being "aggressive," and there's being "reckless" and/or "foolish." Protecting Sam and ensuring that he succeeds is or should be the Jets' #1 priority. That means fixing the OL next offseason via FA and the draft, and probably adding another quality WR. Trading for Clowney would undoubtedly hamper that, and his cap hit would also most likely prevent Douglas from upgrading other areas of the team in need of upgrading. You guys kill me saying it's so easy to find cap space. IMO you are ignoring the realities that it isn't that easy to find cap space. There is always a cost. We have 9 starters and around 10-15 key backups who will be FAs next season, and a number of those probably won't be re-signed which means replacing them in FA since Douglas will only have 6 draft picks. You guys are being impatient and trying to rush things. You're wanting Douglas to do the same stupid crap that Rex/Tanny did and that Mac did his first couple of seasons. Comparing the Eagles with the Jets is laughable. They had a much better core of talent than the Jets do. In the Eagles situation, once they got their QB, they were ready to go. We are far from being ready to go. There is a time to be aggressive and a time to be prudent. This isn't the time to be aggressive and going "all in." Saying that we have to try to win it on his rookie deal is nuts. We don't. You're ignoring the reality that the team doesn't have the OL or CBs to be a serious competitor and as good as Sam looks, he hasn't proven anything yet. After Douglas has a year on the job and has had a FA period and draft, and Sam has proven himself this year, I could understand being aggressive next year, but this year it makes zero sense to be aggressive imo. In panicking (and that's exactly what you're doing using Darnold's rookie contract as the motivating force for your decisions), you would sabotage any realistic chance the Jets would have of winning and having a perennially competitive team.
honestly I think leo is gone after this year becuase the cap and having Q and anderson so one possiblity could be if we traded leo for clowney. it's a win win IMO. 2 good defensive players. we have an abundance at DE. leo can go play opposite watt in the same system for houston. they offload clowny who isn't holding out and we wouldn't have leo next year anyway and we can save some picks and the cap cost is about the same.
JDouglas came on late. Most of the trades that were there for the taking were gone. FA was basically done, not much to choose from when he came on board. Plus he couldnt come in and make trades day one, in fairness he needed time to get some kind of handle on what the jets had or didnt have.
I stand corrected on the 5th year option. About the strike, I remember hearing that the 2011 season wouldn't be played, but it was. As for going all in, we know that Douglas is looking to strengthen the weakest parts of the roster as he signed a C out of retirement and traded for a CB to improve the depth. My guess is he'll go all in next offseason when he can really make his mark on the roster.
FWIW, this article suggests that he wants to go to the Seahawks or Eagles and that it's hard to see Douglas going crazy for him. https://www.sny.tv/jets/news/nfl-ex...e-going-crazy-for-a-player-like-him/310396838
I just took a look at the eagles roster from 2016-2017 and they really weren’t that much better than what we have now.
Funny but I'm pretty sure it was you who said, all Douglas needs to do is find 5 or 6 starters in the next draft( claiming he has 6 picks) and the same in 2021 for the team to be competitive. An near impossible feat, especially for a first time GM. You have stated that Douglas would be stupid to make any trades. So you are supporting slow and methodical, with the exception of Trent Williams. Great LT, but has struggled with injuries. Would be an upgrade over Beachum, but will cost a 1 plus. The cap ramifications would be the same, same impact on our own free agents, but would still need to Draft a LT in the next couple of years at best and would have less draft capital to do so. Winning teams are proactive. I'm willing to bet the Packers would have won more than 1 title with Rodgers had they been more aggressive in free agency. Show me once where I said it's easy to create cap space, in fact I recently corrected your misinformation regarding the cap amount available. But cap is fluid same as the roster. Nothing stopping Douglas from adding picks as well as trading them. A goof GM is constantly evaluating their roster, trimming fat and upgrading any way possible. Now how can you ramble on about cap ramifications and claim capitalizing on Darnold's rookie deal is nuts? Your talking out of both sides of your mouth there. By 2023 when Darnold's yearly cap hit really skyrockets, the majority of the roster will be gone or leaving. That's when the GM really has to manipulate the #s. There's a reason Douglas said he considers now must win due to Darnold's being on his rookie deal. He understands the reality of the extra $25 million plus that gives him now as opposed to 4 years from now
