They were also more experienced. Brady played all 4 years in college, Mark started 1 year. Bottom line is we don't know what he'll be, but he does have a high ceiling.
A) I've never said that Schotty was a good play-caller. (I recommend some reading comprehension lessons) What I have said is that most rants against him are ignorant, baseless, and usually illogical. B) Again, you can call the reports of Schotty being a respected coordinator around the league and within the Jets organization 'phantom' if you wish, but you are only showcasing your ignorance on the matter.
GREG GUMBLE??? That's your 'reports that Schotty is lauded and respected around the league'??? Are you fucking kidding me? That's pathetic. I didn't need to ignore that, it was insignificant. Apparently hypocrisy and weak-mindedness are common to each other. :wink: You brought up the reports of Schotty's potential head coaching candidacy as a way to put into perspective the overwhelming Disregardment of Schotty as a serviceable NFL offensive coordinator on this board - even though he had only been an OC for one season, with mixed results. I brought up Zorn being interviewed and HIRED as a HC as proof that being given a HC opportunity many times has little bearing on how good (or 'servicable') a coach is in his previous position. I could also bring up Raheem Morris, Eric Mangini, and Herman Edwards as examples. None of them were successful coordinators when they got their interviews. 2 of them weren't even coordinators. There are many great coordinators that haven't been given an interview for an HC position, and there have been plenty of HC candidates that weren't widely respected around the league, only by desperate franchises that need new blood at the HC position. Yes, I know, those two types of examples are so completely alien to each other, but maybe someday you will either be willing, or able, or both, to wrap your peanut around the concept. By the way, what the fuck is 'disregardment'?
Did he say anything about unleashing DUSTIN KELLER in the postseason? He was awesome in the preseason.
"GREG GUMBLE??? That's your 'reports that Schotty is lauded and respected around the league'??? Are you fucking kidding me? That's pathetic. I didn't need to ignore that, it was insignificant. " Making things up like usual, I see. I never wrote that "Schotty is lauded and respected around the league" because Greg Gumble said so. What I was referring to was Greg Gumble MAKING A POINT, HIMSELF, to REPORT that Ryan specifically told him that he was satisfied with Schotty as an offensive coordinator and wanted him to return. That may be "insignificant" and "pathetic" to you, but to me, it's a "reporter" issuing a "report" (You know, the thing you said I couldn't give examples of? ) that Schottenheimer was respected and admired by his boss, REX RYAN. "Apparently hypocrisy and weak-mindedness are common to each other" Are you even sure you know what hypocrisy means?? How is me calling you clueless, hypocritical??? I wrote the word clueless because what you wrote was VERIFIABLY FALSE. There have been several reports that the Jets are very happy with Schotty as their offensive coordinator. In FACT, come to think of it, we don't need Greg Gumble to tell us that Rex Ryan likes Schottenheimer and wants him back. Rex Ryan has told us this himself, in his own press conferences!!! www.newyorkjets.com So yes, you are clueless on this point. And no, me pointing out your apparent ignorance on the subject matter and you referring to me as "weak-minded" are not nearly the same. "You brought up the reports of Schotty's potential head coaching candidacy as a way to put into perspective the overwhelming Disregardment of Schotty as a serviceable NFL offensive coordinator on this board - even though he had only been an OC for one season, with mixed results. I brought up Zorn being interviewed and HIRED as a HC as proof that being given a HC opportunity many times has little bearing on how good (or 'servicable') a coach is in his previous position. I could also bring up Raheem Morris, Eric Mangini, and Herman Edwards as examples. None of them were successful coordinators when they got their interviews. 2 of them weren't even coordinators. There are many great coordinators that haven't been given an interview for an HC position, and there have been plenty of HC candidates that weren't widely respected around the league, only by desperate franchises that need new blood at the HC position. Yes, I know, those two types of examples are so completely alien to each other, but maybe someday you will either be willing, or able, or both, to wrap your peanut around the concept." Again, AS I HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT, your logic would ONLY make sense if you were trying to criticize Zorn in HIS ROLE PRIOR TO BECOMING A HEAD COACH. Zorn may very well still be a great quarterbacks coach, despite his obvious deficiencies as a head coach. (In fact, considering how much success he had with Matt Hasselback, I'd say he probably is just that) To say that "I brought up Zorn being interviewed and HIRED as a HC as proof that being given a HC opportunity many times has little bearing on how good (or 'servicable') a coach is in his previous position" shows just how illogical your thinking really is here. Tell me, HOW can Zorn's failure as a head coach in any way, shape, or form speak to how "servicable" (or unserviceable) he was in his "PREVIOUS position"?????????????????????? Wouldn't his lack of sucess as a head coach ONLY speak to his lack of serviceability AS A HEAD COACH??????? How do we know that Zorn still isn't a good play-caller or still isn't a good quarterbacks coach (his previous title before taking over head coaching duties for the Washington Redskins)???? (Similarly, if Schotty somehow gets a head coaching job this coming offseason and ends up failing miserably at it, are we then forced to conclude that he wasn't a competent offensive coordinator?? How does that make any SENSE??? Was Norv Turner a bad offensive coordinator with the Cowboys because he didn't succeed as the head coach of the Washington Redskins??? Are you sure you thought much about this much????) Again, your Jim Zorn example has no logical bearing on what we are talking about here - I'm rather amused at how much trouble you are having comprehending this devastatingly simple concept.
This is what I am talking about, and it is what you have been avoiding this entire argument. You keep deflecting the argument. Every time. Here, let me give you a play by play of how you failed to follow a simple argument: ^ that last bolded part is the exact point you started trying to re-direct your argument, because you knew the idea that Schotty was lauded and respected around the league had no basis of proof - you made it up completely. I never mentioned anything about how Rex feels, but it's the only point you can make, so you keep deflecting to it. It's pretty sad, actually. Prove to me that Schotty is lauded and respected around the league. Show me some examples. That was one of your main defenses, judging by the number of question marks that you used. Holy fuck? Did you type that entire thing with your forehead? I don't know how many more ways I can simplify it for you, slim - maybe a diorama made from legos? By the way, slim, I am only giving you a little bit of your own medicine - diminishing the poster instead of providing a solid argument for debate. If you had just presented some kind a football-based case for Schotty, I would have been happy to debate with you, but instead you just generalized a bunch of 'Schotty haters' and dimished their intelligence and did not back up your weak-ass stance with any kind of intelligent argument, all the while stating how qualified you were to make that intelligent argument. Don't tell me how qualified you are to talk football. This a forum for football discussion. Prove it. It really is for your own good, slim. You don't have to thank me, being able to help you is thanks in itself.
"that last bolded part is the exact point you started trying to re-direct your argument, because you knew the idea that Schotty was lauded and respected around the league had no basis of proof - you made it up completely." Your lack of reading comprehension is truly remarkable. How did I "re-direct" my argument?? I gave DIRECT evidence that Schotty is obviously respected around the league - namely, that has been INTERVIEWED MORE THAN ONCE for head coaching positions (Dolphins, JETS). And on top of that, he's being rumored to be a possible candidate in Buffalo this off-season. But, of course, none of that counts in your mind. "I never mentioned anything about how Rex feels, but it's the only point you can make, so you keep deflecting to it. It's pretty sad, actually. Prove to me that Schotty is lauded and respected around the league. Show me some examples. That was one of your main defenses, judging by the number of question marks that you used." I KNOW you never mentioned how REX feels. I MENTIONED it and you have decided to pretend that it doesn't mean anything. (As if Rex Ryan's opinion has no relevance as to whether or not Schotty is respected within the organization) AND AGAIN, he's obviously somewhat respected around the league if he's getting offers to interview for head coaching vacancies, right??? "Holy fuck? Did you type that entire thing with your forehead? I don't know how many more ways I can simplify it for you, slim - maybe a diorama made from legos?" Nice retort . I'm assuming that either your reading comprehension failed you again OR you were too lazy to read and think critically about what I wrote. Either way, what I wrote in my previous post clearly illustrates that your Zorn example is vacuous and irrelevant. " By the way, slim, I am only giving you a little bit of your own medicine - diminishing the poster instead of providing a solid argument for debate. If you had just presented some kind a football-based case for Schotty, I would have been happy to debate with you, but instead you just generalized a bunch of 'Schotty haters' and dimished their intelligence and did not back up your weak-ass stance with any kind of intelligent argument, all the while stating how qualified you were to make that intelligent argument. Don't tell me how qualified you are to talk football. This a forum for football discussion. Prove it." A) AGAIN, for the billionth time, I have NEVER written that I think Schotty is a great offensive coordinator. What I HAVE written is that most of the crticisms of him on this site are baseless and irrational. And yet, you keep asking me to defend Schotty playcall by playcall, as if I compared him to Don Coryell. I think your reading comprehension is failing you again B) I NEVER wrote that I was specifically qualified to talk football. There goes that reading comprehension, again. "It really is for your own good, slim. You don't have to thank me, being able to help you is thanks in itself" Arrogance? Self-importance? Both?
I think I have already addressed this part of the argument, to which you re-directed to Rex's feelings about Schotty: Durrrrr. Mentioned it? You mentioned it like 4 times. It had nothing to do with Schotty's perception around the league, but it was all you had, so you hugged onto it like Linus with the security blanket. See the beginning of this post, Rerun. I'm almost beginning to believe that it's less re-direction and more miscomprehension. I could teach my dog to understand an argument easier than this. You sure are arguing like you think he is. You have made some mention of how highly so many fictional characters feel about him. Hmmmm... No, you implied that you were qualified to talk about something. Who knows? Maybe you meant that you were qualified to talk about making little houses with popsicle sticks? Man, that would be relevant. It's only arrogance if you're wrong. :up:
"I think I have already addressed this part of the argument, to which you re-directed to Rex's feelings about Schotty" haha, how did you address it??? With your Zorn analogy that I illustrated, in great detail, to be completely illogical and irrelevant to the conversation?? "Durrrrr." . . . huh? more arrogance?? sensory overload? both? "Mentioned it? You mentioned it like 4 times. It had nothing to do with Schotty's perception around the league, but it was all you had, so you hugged onto it like Linus with the security blanket." I mentioned it and you still have yet to come up with a decent retort. I guess if you pretend it doesn't matter for long enough, maybe it eventually won't matter??? Sounds promising :breakdance: "I'm almost beginning to believe that it's less re-direction and more miscomprehension. I could teach my dog to understand an argument easier than this." I guess Dogs can follow verifiably illogical and baseles arguments posted on an internet message board? I didn't realize this. Also, you bringing up miscomprehension??????? . . . Priceless. "You sure are arguing like you think he is. You have made some mention of how highly so many fictional characters feel about him." Fictional Characters like Rex Ryan, Eric Mangini, and the Dolphins front office??? Are you SURE you know what fictional means??? "No, you implied that you were qualified to talk about something. Who knows? Maybe you meant that you were qualified to talk about making little houses with popsicle sticks? Man, that would be relevant." Haha, maybe I was saying that I was qualified to talk about making little houses with popsicle sticks??? Maybe I wasn't??? But the POINT, my confused fellow Jets fan, is that I most certainly did not say that I was qualified to talk about anything. So I guess you proved my point?? At least your reading comprehension is getting better. :beer: "It's only arrogance if you're wrong." Actually, no, it's definately arrogance, regardless. In your case though, it's both :breakdance: I don't feel the need to respond to you anymore because it's obvious to me that you will continue to misinterperet and distort the things I write, all while defining fictitious arguments in your head, solely for the purpose of knocking them down . (The Zorn thing is actually funny to me at this point - you obviously either didn't read what I wrote or couldn't comprehend it fully - both are amusing) Have fun :beer:
"Nobody can be so amusingly arrogant as a young man who has just discovered an old idea and thinks it is his own.?
Yeah, I found that really interesting myself. I like the idea of giving Smith the flexibility to use his judgement and execute what he sees as open.
Regardless if our QB was Pennington, Farve or Sanchez, Shotty has never been able to (on a consistent basis) draw up quick hitting passing patterns. His patterns always take way too long to develop. He also was not able to draw up running plays very well until Callihan came along. He should be and hopefully will be our next O.C. I don't know if anyone is going to actually take him off our hands for us, hard to say how long the organization will hold onto him. I think he is more likely to get a college gig then a pro.
You do not know how to read people. If he had stock answers ready at the whip, it's coach speak, lying, whatever you want to call it. When people answer a question too quickly, it usually means it is a rehearsed response. Most people, when they try to formualte an honest answer, take a moment. How one takes that moment is only a matter of public speaking. Less polished speakers will fill the silence with something... be it an um or an oh... more polished speakers will actually let the silence speak. I happen to be REALLY good at reading people. I can see a lie from a mile away. I have a talent, or born ability to read people. Schottenheimer didn't tell a single lie in that interview. This guy is genuinely happy working for Ryan, and was obviously very unhappy under Mangini. Frankly, I saw that in him when he was granted the rare chance to give a presser under Mangini. I saw that in all 3 coaches. They were all relaxed and honest, not fearing the Mangini gestapo for saying too much. I think this nearly across the board critisism of BS has been biased and unfair. He lets Sanchez throw, he puts too much on the rookie. He tries to find ways to find gadget plays to compensate for Sanchez's inabilty to run an NFL passing offense, and he gets ridiculed. I like the guy, and always have. Sure, he's made mistakes. When people start clamoring for Hackett over BS... that is as clueless as it gets. Hackett was death. I hope he stays for at least this year and next. After that... I think he will be a very hot HC candidate commodity. And when we lose him, we won't be better off.
His last few games have been great. At times his lack of common sense has astounded me. Passing into 30+ mph winds, ill timed reverses, thinking that Sanchez was a vetern QB. It seems that ever since Rex got involved, both Sanchez and Schotty have calmed down. I'll take a wait and see attitude with this one.
