Actually, Kimo didn't get blown off the line...they just threw his ass out of the way Believe me, I understand Kimo was a huge problem, but DROB had his share of problems too. So did Ellis. Our entire DL had major problems last year.
DROB the most consistent guy? That's BS. Kimo was the most consistent. Of course, he was consistently putrid :grin: And I don't hate DROB. He played well last year considering he never played the position. But he still has a long way to go. Funny...I thought that was essentially what THIS thread is
WHat the hell has he done to allow you to say that....not make a tackle on special trams when he could have? We haven't seen him get a chance to bomb in a game....so I duuno where the hell you all get this.
He should've started...he was the 4th picked not the 76th.....maybe you should get with the program....and whats your love affair with a over paid DL that hasn't done shit in 4 years!! Also who said anything about liking schlegel because he hunts and whats this about leonard because he's white & pouha because he's hawiaian...oh now I see where you come from....Hunters and white boys & fat hawiaians can't play football!!!
Buddy, that argument is so weak, and by making it, you actually strengthen the other persons case. Why do you think he never got the chance? Our coach never put him on the field, because he obviously sucks.
One more time for the guy who didnt read the thread. 1) 3rd round picks are rarely expected to start their first year. They get those chances when there are injuring. The Jets had none. 2) Schlegels competition for starting work was Jonathan Vilma, Eric Barton (8 year veteran who led the team in tackles in 04 and has multiple 100 tackle seasons and who, by the way, made 2.5 million last season. Do you really think they were going to sit that guy to start a rookie in a rebuilding year?) and Brad Kassell a 5 year veteran and 2 year starter from Tenn who had 100 tackles last year. Did any other rookie in the league have that much talent and experience in front of him? 3) Because 3-4 teams carry more LBs than others LBs who arent dressing to play D dont dress to play ST. Schlegel dressed for four games.
and with all of those impossible obsticals to overcome, they STILL drafted him. Why, because they hoped he would be inactive for all but 4 games, and maybe in year 3 become a backup? No- they expected him to get time. Please don't say that taking time away from Brad Kassel, or Matt Chatham is a difficult task. The expectation obviously wasn't for him to start in year one- it was to get some playing time, and contribute however he could, but this guy couldn't even get a starting special teams job.
I just read all 6 pages of this shit... my god you guys sound like 6th grade girls getting ready for their first peroid. The reality is; AS is the same type of play VH was in his rookie year... oh yeah VH was a 3rd round pick from another big 10 school (MICH). AS does not need to play with straightline speed, he will be the thumper in the 3-4, something Barton is not suited for. Barton actually played out of position all last year. Barton is a weakside 4-3 linebacker who has good speed to make plays. The reality is that we dont have very good 3-4 LB's, BECAUSE WE RAN A 4-3 THE PREVIOUS YEAR!! Is that such a hard idea to process, we took him in the 3rd because we needed him to develop in 2-3 years, anything faster is a +. DROB is DROB, he is a 4 tech DT and has no business playin NT in 1 3-4. He had some success last year because he was able to penitrate and disrupt, however when they ran at him he got blown up. He is servicable but not a #4 overall pick, so shut up.
Hobson was a 2nd rounder, and I really hope you are not trying to compare their rookie years. Don't do it to yourself. With all of these players not suited for the 3-4, why couldn't he play then? We all know the 2-3 year plan blah blah blah- but has he shown you ANY reason to think he will be starting in 2-3 years? We know he's not in year 2 that's for sure. Maybe he'll have better luck in year 3 huh. You keep telling yourself he's gonna be good.
ok guy, I know all good or great players show it in year one or two.. Was Cotchery great in his rookie year? love your logic; IT TAKES TIME TO ADAPT. You are right he did not show any signs this year, but being a day one pick buys him a year or two... THATS JUST THE WAY IT IS
Cotch showed something his rookie year, and has improved ever since. He had a 90+ year KO return, and caught a few balls. He saw the field. That greasy haired, slow fat guy you are defending did not. It's not even an argument.
Uh . . . ever heard of drafting a guy to develop him in the system to take over the next year? Here's and idea to get your brain around. Its possible that the Jets drafted Schlegel to have a interior foundation piece in place this coming season. They played Barton because they wanted him to have some trade value before they tried to move him this off season. This gave their rookie a year to learn the 3-4, get used to playing in a 3-4, and at the same time got valuable play from a vet making 2.5 million a year so that he would be more valuable in the off season. Sound like a good business and football move to me. FOs dont have the luxury of being as short sighted and fickle as fans. Chatham is an OLB so he and Schlegel didnt compete for playing time on D. Kassell was a 5 year veteran brought in, cheap, for a couple of years to give depth, back up Barton in case of injury, and to provide a cushion if Schlegel cant get it done this year. Both of these guys were in the two deep for the reasons listed above. Both are also veteran, solid special teams players -- Chatham was a freakin' ST captain for Gods sake -- this limited Schlegels chances to dress. The Jets were already dressing 6 LBS + Spencer who was a ST specialist which makes 7. If Schlegel dressed that would be 8 LBs dressed for a game unless one of the others sat. I believe Spencer sat one of the games Schlegel played. 8 LBs out of 45 total players dressed would make almost 20% of the game day roster LBs. That would be alot for any team. BTW. Schlegel played in four games (saw the field, not much, but he was out there). Sorry he couldnt catch a pass or return a kick for a TD. Thats not really in his job description.
Buddy, he had 1 tackle this year- Was inactive for his first 9 games, played in 4, then was inactive for the next 3. As for the masterplan with Barton-- I don't think so. If they trade Barton, it's NOT because they think AS is the answer. As for you comment - "Uh . . . ever heard of drafting a guy to develop him in the system to take over the next year?" - Yes, I have- and that is not going to happen in year two, so you better get your argument ready for years 3, 4 or 5.
OMG buddy you have to be kidding me. You still have yet to rebut my last post on Cotch vs AS in year 1. Because you know it's not even close.
The "rebut" is that neither were hall of famers in there first years and BOTH will play signifigant roles for this team in the next 3-4 years....mark it down in blood from that ugly cat in you avater. Is that a good "rebut" for you?
OK-- arguments aside-- what do you guys expect from him this year, and next. Regardless of how low your expectations are, I'm sure you will be disappointed.
No it's not-- Cotch was picked later, showed more than enough for us to realize he will be good, and actually helped us WIN games. AS did nothing-- I was happy with Cotch from Day 1 If you are happy with AS, than I am green with envy, because I, along with most down to earth fans/analysts, am not.
