So when I read your post I instantly thought of that cop MLB from the Replacements. That would be sweet... "GET ME THE BALL!" - "I'M GONNA GET YE' DA BALL!!!!"
What I find funny is that a lot of people are claiming Vilma, our athletic ILB, isn't big enough to fit in with the 3-4. Others are saying that our bigger ILB, Schlegel, isn't athletic enough for the 3-4. Am I the only one who finds the debate funny?
Actually those glasses are not doing much for your reading comprehension. I specifically said you cannot make a determination on him yet because he did not play much last year (thus no flashes of brilliance). I also said I don't think he will ever be a super star. You're just messing with me now... :grin:
Nobody says that. We're just saying that you can't consider a rookie who didn't play in his first season a bust.
Quite frankly I can make a determination whenever I like. Leon Washington, Brad Smith (playing a new position nonetheless), Eric Smith, Nick Mangold, DBickshaw ... all came to camp the same time as Schlegel and all were picked in the first 4 rounds by a team that was low on talent and trying to evaluate what they had on the roster. The rest of those guys fought there way into the lineup and had considerable playing time by years end. Not the case with Schlegel. You can argue that he had different circumstances than the other rookies and that his position takes longer to learn (a point with which I disagree) but the fact is that he did NOTHING to distinguish himself on a team bereft of talent AND one on which the coach was giving a real opportunity for everyone to play. If I recall he was INACTIVE quite often. So your defense is that we have not seen enough of him to judge and I say in 16 games that his lack of playing time speaks volumes. He may turn out to be all pro but just based on watching players over the years this guy has some serious warning signs and I think will be out of the league in 2 years. Just my opinion, no better or worse than anyone elses at this point (PS ... hes slow and stiff)
Brick was given the job because he was the 4th overall pick and Jones sucked the year before. Mangold played because Teague got hurt. Eric Smith got some playing time because after Rhodes the safeties aren't that talented, same goes for Washington. B. Smith was just a gadget guy and really didn't do anything at wideout. In his first year, it would be difficult for Schlegel to push Barton, Vilma, or Mangini's hand picked FAs Chatham, etc. for playing time. But I don't know why we are even discussing the other picks in this thread. Anyway, I respect your opinion, but I'm holding out hope that he becomes a productive player for us in the near future. We will see...
Schlegal had Vilma and Barton ahead of him, and they never got hurt once......honestly who did the other rookies have ahead of them? Eric Smith got a lot of playing time due to a lot of different DB packages and Erik Coleman playing sub-par.....D'Brick and Mangold-both 1st rounders and basically given the starting jobs from day 1.....We have no other quick rb on the roster, Leon gets the nod.....Brad Smith has a unique talent set that no one else on the roster has......My point is Schegal had 2 above average veterans ahead of him that basically played every snap and the jury is still out......the situation with the other rookies is not the same
Who was going to sit, Barton or Vilma? Chatham and Kassell excelled on special teams. Who was going to sit?
There really wasn't any room for him to fit in. There was our star LB Vilma, a talented ILB who fit the 3-4 and Kassell and Chatham who fit well also and were great on special teams. Don't judge him yet.
Round 3 Sel# Team Player Pos. School 65 Houston Charles Spencer T Pittsburgh 66 Houston Eric Winston T Miami 67 Green Bay Abdul Hodge MLB Iowa 68 St. Louis Claude Wroten DT Louisiana State 69 Oakland Paul McQuistan G Weber State 70 Buffalo Ashton Youboty CB Ohio State 71 Philadelphia Chris Gocong LB Cal Poly-SLO 72 Arizona Leonard Pope TE Georgia 73 Chicago Dusty Dvoracek DT Oklahoma 74 Detroit Brian Calhoun RB Wisconsin 75 Green Bay Jason Spitz G Louisville 76 N.Y. Jets Anthony Schlegel MLB Ohio State 77 St. Louis Jon Alston OLB Stanford 78 Cleveland Travis Wilson WR Oklahoma 79 Atlanta Jerious Norwood RB Mississippi State 80 Jacksonville Clint Ingram OLB Oklahoma 81 San Diego Charlie Whitehurst QB Clemson 82 Miami Derek Hagan WR Arizona State 83 Pittsburgh Anthony Smith FS Syracuse 84 San Francisco Brandon Williams WR Wisconsin 85 Kansas City Brodie Croyle QB Alabama 86 New England David Thomas TE Texas 87 Baltimore David Pittman CB Northwestern State, La. 88 Carolina James Anderson OLB Virginia Tech 89 Carolina Rashad Butler T Miami 90 Tampa Bay Maurice Stovall WR Notre Dame 91 Cincinnati Frostee Rucker DE Southern California 92 Dallas Jason Hatcher DE Grambling 93 St. Louis Dominique Byrd TE Southern California 94 Indianapolis Freddy Keiaho OLB San Diego State 95 Pittsburgh Willie Reid WR Florida State 96 N.Y. Giants Gerris Wilkinson OLB Georgia Tech 97 N.Y. Jets Eric Smith SS Michigan State That's the 3rd round of the draft last year. Not exactly full of difference makers in their first year. I find it hard to believe people are judging the rest of his career by the grand total 3 games he played in. Way too early to determine how well he's going to do and this FO has done a great job thus far of evaluating talent so I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. And for anyone who claims football to be more important than doing the other things in his life, please, some perspective. I doubt many of you would place your job over your family, why should Schlegal be any different? I think it's great what he's doing. If it was offered to play professional football as a job and in the offseason get to do whatever it is you love to do I would be the first in line and I bet everyone here would be right behind me.
if your saying drob has done squat you dont know shit about football. he did exactly what he was told to do and more this year while playing out of position. and just because i have his name and avatar doesnt mean i fell in love with him right around when i joined the bored is when we drafted him so i figured wtf. and what i do like about him is atleast based on his play and not his hunting or beliefs.
Uhhh . . . . did anyone here say that? I dont think they did. Some of us were just countering your statements that you knew he sucked and was a bust after last year and that he wasnt athletic enough to be an NFL linebacker. All we are saying is that he is athletic enough to play the position he was drafted to play and that basing your opinion on four ST games he played last year is short sighted. Sheesh.
Cody Spencer was and is a Special Teams specialist. He played almost everygame on ST (he replaced McClover, who was replaced by Myers) he did not take a single snap on Defense.
This is the least knowledgable post of all. D'Brick was drafted in the first to play a position of need. Who was ahead of him on the depth chart? Mangold was drafted to fill a position of need. After Teague got hurt before camp who was in front of him on the depth chart. E. Smith obviously impressed on ST and got to play on D. But, there were injuries in the secondary that gave him opportunities to play on D. And, he excelled. B. Smith. 3 WR is an easy position to learn to play well enough to step on the field. His competition for this spot was Dwight and McCarrens who got in coaches dog house during camp. L. Washington got to play because the Jets needed an RB. Curtis couldnt play, Houston was hurt, and Barlow was dissapointing. Schlegel had Vilma, Barton, and Kassell to compete with and Barton made about 2.2 million more than Schlegel last year. Who would you have played?
so basically what your saying Schegel isnt good enough to get rotation minutes over Barton (who was average at best), Kassell (who was below average),and Chatem who is garbage. on defense and He isnt good enough to play special teams over cody Spencer.. and please dont tell me what barton or kassell made. Cause mangini doesnt care the best player plays.
