Good move or bad, the bottom line is this. The man paid $600million for the franchise and has poured at least another $400mil into the new BP. Yeah, I'd say he would have some input into who gets hired. If nothing else, Woody is the first owner we've had with some real "skin" in the game. He's not just playing with house money here so if Woody wants to hire Rex, Rex will be hired. You'd better believe that it was Woody that bounced Mangini too. He might look like a bookworm, but I have a feeling behind the scenes, Woody is flying this Jet.
Yes it appears to look more & more like that which maybe the reason Tanny is the GM as he is controlable by Woody
After observing the tenure of Woody's ownership since he bought the team, my overall impression is that there seems to be two different eras. Of course, it's way too early to confirm this and we're all much too close to the situation to be able to sit back and analyze it from a historical perspective (that will come years from now). But it seems like the Woody Johnson who first bought the team is not the Woody Johnson emerging today. Woody does seem more interested in the team... more actively involved... and more willing to make moves and do things today than he was at the beginning. Years ago, when he first took over, he was more laid back and, for lack of a better word, the "absentee owner," content to let the GM run the show and remain, for the most part, far "behind the scenes." Now there seems to have emerged a more active Woody Johnson, one who wants to be more "hands on." I don't know if that is good or bad yet. But, judging from the way things were before he took more of an active role, I'd have to say that him being more involved is at least worth a try and I'm not opposed to it. I won't get involved in any "Woody Must Go" threads because they're usually senseless. Woody Johnson owns the team and that won't change until he decides to sell it, so engaging in that kind of banter is usually nothing more than mental masturbation. But I'm talking about the two eras of Woody's reign here. Is there anyone else who sees a difference between the "first" Woody and today's Woody? And is that a good or bad thing? Comments welcome...
I agree with this assessment, but I too am not clear if it's a good or bad thing. If he's making moves to make the team better long term that's great. If he's making moves to sell PSLs short term that sucks.
I think we should look at this as a circumstance thing. Before and After Stadium. I think since he's dropped a ton of coin on this team, now he feels like its becoming more of a priority. I don't know. It could still just be his toy, but whatever. People are weird. Maybe he was at an owner's party and someone made an offhand remark about how his team sucks or something.
Following up on this and 227's point, I hope we are seeing a new Woody. We may well be. My take on the first one is that he focused originally on some of the more business type issues associated with the team, primarily the real estate part, such as the West Side Stadium. When that fell through he focused on putting together the joint deal with the Giants. I was opposed to the WSS, and was not impressed how Woody went about that. It certainly appeared to me not only was that his focus but that focus seemed to be his preferance. The Giant deal was less obnoxious, and something of course in any event had to be done. Now it is, and more recently there has been the obnoxious PSL thing, but he also does seem to be more interested in what is going on with the team. He is certainly going about choosing a new HC differently. No longer is he deferring to the NFL or to merely latch onto the House of Belichik. Maybe he's showing growth as an owner. My guess is he's still a scumbag, though.
Rumor and speculation... the other one was (that most of us seem to believe) is that he was calling the shots on the defensive side of the ball. I don't think he had a big hand in the offensive playcalling. I am sure he had input into the game plan and adjustments, but I think the OC ran the offense for the most part. Afterall, wasn't Mangini chewing gum most of the time on the sidelines of games.. how is he going to run the defense and the offense? :breakdance:
Which is another reason i could never see Cowher, or Shanahan, coming here. Tannenbaum would never want guys like them around, who could open Woody's eyes to the fact that Tanny should NOT be in charge of anything other then the business side of football. Read my signiture, "we will never win a championship, with a lawyer as our GM."
Heimerdinger. . . Schottenheimer. . . I think we need to steer clear of all these heimer-guys. They're bad luck.
Idk at least Woody is doing things, I like him as our owner and I dont care if he wants to win to sell PSLs or because he just wants to win, the bottom line in that is the word win. Idk I'm only 22 and I've been a Jet fan since I can remember, so 98 is the best I've ever seen this team and this is the first time since then I feel like someone in the organization is actually trying to put a winner on the field. Whatever happens I'll remain loyal, but good God its gonna be tough is BS becomes HC. :buffaloblows::finssuck:ats_suck:
That's a very interesting point of view. It hadn't occurred to me that Woody has more control over Tannenbaum than he would have over a football guy, but you're right he probably does.
I think you're right on target with this. The early Woody was in Parcell's shadow even though Parcells wasn't his hire. He basically took Parcells recommendations upon leaving to heart and so we wound up with Bradway and a totally screwed up coach search with both of the leading candidates winding up on the team and in conflict on the defensive side from the start. It took about 5 years of watching the resulting mess for the new Woody to start to emerge and until 2008 for him to land with both feet. It'll be interesting to see where he goes from here. If I was in his shoes I'd have handed Cowher the keys to the city to come in and coach and I'd have retained Tannenbaum for one more season as the GM and I'd have made it clear to both of them that they reported directly to me and neither had precedence over the other. Then if I liked what I saw next year I'd have kept Tannenbaum around and if I didn't I'd have gone to find a new GM who hopefully meshed better with Cowher.
