Yea, Vinny is 3rd worst on that list and he led one of our most explosive offensive seasons as Qb. Sanchez has played bad, he has made some terrible decisions and there is a clear lack of focus in some games. I still think he has all the ability though. If he can pull his head from between Kate Upton's legs during the season, focus on football and we actually put some pieces around him he can win. Most likely, this is going to be Sanchez last season with the Jets. At some point this season Geno probably takes over. In fairness to Mark though I can't put all the blame squarely on him. 2011 and 2012 were terrible offensive talented teams from the OC to Schillens (a guy NFL fans just hearing of for the first time; so we can collectively kick buttfumble boy one more time while he's down).
It's pretty safe to say that most good QB's from back in the day would have much better passer ratings in todays game as the rules have changed to heavily favor the passing game and protect the QB. The game has also evolved to a much more high efficiency passing attack. Which makes Sanchez being at the bottom even less impressive given he plays in the heart of the most QB friendly era where QB's are regularly threatening all time single-season records and rookie QB's are regularly coming in and making an immediate positive impact. They're also clearly outperforming Sanchez. Vinny sucked dick for a long time before he ever met his potential.
Palmer over Brees? Matt Ryan over Brees? Garrard over Eli? QB Rating is a small indicator, but I wouldn't use it to judge QBs entirely. I understand the era part, but let's compare some of the QBs that played in the same era - no way am I using this list to determine who the better / worse QB is. People saw that list and jaws began dropping as if they saw the light - and everything made sense.
Brees is 9th overall. Ryan and Palmer are not ahead of him. The second listing is probably supposed to be Drew Bledsoe.
mark sanchez is bad, but i would in no way put him as THAT bad. i don't care what anyone says, dude worked magic in the playoffs and that counts for something
wait wtf - Brees is listed twice on that list lol (different teams?) ... Bledsoe is about 16 spots from the bottom I'm confused.
Yeah I think the thing some people aren't getting, is that these are just consecutive years stats. Look at Drew Brees who played for :chargers: and he's low on the list, but then went to the Saints and became the amazing player we know today, there he is much higher on the chart.
im so sick of this sh!t... Look at the receivers hes had. Look at the inconsistent OFFENSE as a whole since 09. The damn OCs.... Even the last backup, the OLine has been questioned. The guy has been f**** by this organization and thus you get crappy results from him. No one from the jump knew how to build him up as a player and person. I'll say this again, if the flight boys were intact the last 2 seasons, this thread would not have been created and Geno would not have been drafted. The JETS took away what was working. It should of gotten better but got worst. With that this is yet another year with another OC and questionable WRs/RBs... This team sucks and whoever is QB will flop with this current setup.
I agree with a lot of your points, , but the fact that you don't mention a single Sanchez mis-step... It makes it all easy to dismiss. Do you really think Sanchez can be elite? Why?
I would hardly consider 4 seasons as being "an era" although this article only pointed out what we've already knew; that Sanchez, statistically speaking, has been very poor during regular season(s). Not making excuses for the kid but unlike Geno Smith, Sanchez came into the league as raw as they come. Geno had 3 years of college starting experience when compared to Sanchez who became an NFL starter during his rookie season after only one season of college starting experience with USC. To make it worse on Sanchez and/or his overall situation he spent his first three seasons with a pretty poor offensive coordinator in Shotty Jr. along with his 4th year (last season) with a coach in Sparano who was calling offensive plays for the first time throughout his coaching career. And how many times has Sanchez entered a season with the same core WR's in tact from the year before? Pretty much never. I'm in full support of Geno Smith moving forward but when it comes to Sanchez being bad, I know it's a lot deeper than just Sanchez himself. From offensive coordinators, lack of experience coming out, WR turnover being extremely high etc. it's just been an ugly situation.
Mark won't be elite at this juncture of his career. 3 OCs in 3 years - he's getting the Jason Campbell / Alex Smith treatment. Sure you can win games with them as QB. How far can you go with them in the post-season is the real question.
No QB like Sanchez throws as consistently in to double and triple, or even quadruple coverage as does Sanchez. That's on the QB who HAS to realize that if a guy is double or triple covered someone else is open. No QB uses the double and triple pump fake more than Sanchez, No QB uses a pump fake more often to a WIDE open receiver than Sanchez. And want to remove doubt about Sanchez being a bottom ranked QB, it's not just this chart and that one rating that indicates it. It's any CHART and ANY rating, they all agree. In 4 seasons the guy has turned the ball over more than he's scored. over the last 2 years he's number 1 in turnovers, over the past 4 years he's in the top 3. (I think second but I'm not double checking it right now). He turns the ball over more than almost anyone else over the 4 years, Scores LESS than any QB over the last 4 years (who's started at least 14 games in each of the last 4 years) Has the among the lowest completion percentage of any QB who's started at least 16 games over the past 4 years. (if memory serves me correctly he's 4th or 5th from the bottom, but most of those only started between 16-24 games over the 4 season span). He has one of the lowest yards per attempt and adjusted yards per attempt of any QB in the NFL, starting or otherwise. Yes you can take one stat out of context, but when EVERY measurement of a QB indicates they're a bottom of the barrel performer then guess what, the guys a bottom of the barrel performer.
If he has the right coaching staff, a team willing to build around his strengths. Yes. It has happened before, a QB who sucked at one point and went somewhere else to discover their inner beast mode. But overall he doesnt have to be "elite". He can be better than what he has shown recently but with the current setup he wont be able to mature enough to become great or "elite." Sanchez has shown he can be very good so its not like he doesnt have any talent or that he never showed he has potential to be serviceable. He just needs the right everything and he wont be able to get it here with the JETS. I think that made sense :sad:
When you consider how few NFL QB's actually played as a starter for 4 consecutive seasons then you start to see how it can be considered an ERA as far as QB play. The list they provided was only QB's who started for 4 or more consecutive seasons with the same team....considering how long the NFL has been around that's a pretty short list.
Nah, Alex Smith left a lot of plays out there on the field. He was hesitant, and played like a bitch in the 4th QTR. I highly doubt the 49ers beat the Pats too.
