Not to mention undermining his confidence even further. Confidence was an obvious lacking factor this year. Hanging him out for trade wouldn't do anything to help at all.
Chances are Manning will be playing for the Colts, or no body at all. I would take Sanchez over a dinged up Manning who will get hurt in one hit.
I stopped reading and mentally placed Noam in the "retarded Gang Green posters" column when he wrote that Rex Grossman has more upside than Mark Sanchez.
I would take Sanchez in a heartbeat. Giving up on a 25 year old starter with limited college starting experience for a banged up player (desite his Hall of Fame credentials) is just not a smart move.
Keep in Mind Brees had two great years with Shotty. In Brees 3rd year as a starter he threw for 27 TDS and 7 INTs and in his 4th 24-15. If he did not get injured the last game of his 4th year he would likely still be in SD. When Favre joined the Jets Shotty redid the offense to fit what Favre was used to and Favre was having a pro-bowl year until he was injured. Not to mention that Sanchez has done amazingly well for the Jets despite his limitations. He is essentially a QB who cannot complete a pass without his receiver being wide open and being under no rush. A QB that when pressured panics and commits mistakes at an alarming rate. Given with what he had to work with Shotty did an amazing job with Sanchez. The entire offense was designed around Sanchez's limitations. Simplifying his reads, avoiding confusion, getting rid of the ball quickly and limiting his ability make mistakes that would cost the Jets the game. It has been reported that Shottenheimer said the reason he asked to leave the Jets was he did not want to coach Sanchez anymore. He felt Sanchez was limiting the offense to much to make it workable. It appears that where was some friction between Shotty and Sanchez. While I do not buy the lazy comments I think the sensitive comments and Sanchez needs to be pushed comments are true. The reports that Sanchez does not like criticism and goes into a hole and hides likely made it very hard to teach him. I am hoping that Sparano's rep is accurate and he will be brutally honest with Sanchez. It sounds like Sanchez has been getting away with far to much coddling and way to much effort has been spent trying to make him feel secure and comfortable.
Someone has picked the stats before, but all the QB's combined under schotty have below a 1:1 TD to INT ratio meaning they threw for more INT's that TD's overall. Sanchez has a positive one. Schotty clearly needed a change of scenery and the Jets needed a new OC. Also Favre was not having a Pro Bowl year. He had 19 Td's and 15 INT's at the halfway point I believe. 5/6 TD's in one game also skewed those off. Also, Schotty did not redo the offense for Favre, Favre said Schotty's system was too complicated and he wanted to run something more familiar to him. Big difference there. Favre initiated that change. Is there an article or link showing that Schotty has said Sanchez was the reason he wanted to leave? Seems to me last year he was content staying even after being offered a HC'ing interview. So why did we design an offensive gameplan to hide Sanchez's limitations? Wouldn't it be better to dedicate a system to maximize his strengths so that involves bootlegs, moving the pocket, play action, deep/intermediate throws. Sounds like Schotty was designing not to lose instead of designing to win. Funny how this same offense had wide receivers, tight ends, and offensive linemen looking lost too. Now obviously Sanchez is to blame, but you are making it seem like Schotty gets no critcism? He constantly had baffling gameplans and was not the most consistent of coordinators. Add that to an inconsistent QB and you get a poor offense. Tanny gets some blame too for not getting a backup plan after Turner went down, or thinking Plax would be a viable #2. All together everyone is to blame so I don't see why you are trying to absolve Schotty. The change will be good for both the Jets and him and I hope he succeeds with St Louis except when they play us.
Why would you doubt this? Hasn't the complaint from the pro-Sanchez crowd been that the offense was too complicated? If that was the case, either the OC has to dumb it down, the OC has to be replaced, or the QB has to be replaced. If Shott said that, it certainly fits the generally accepted narrative on this board.
Everyone should just go with this guy's argument in spite of their opinions. He won't have a pot to stir and likely go away.
And why would you blindly take it for fact? Because of the opinions of a bunch of fans on a message board? You have no idea what the dynamic between Sanchez and Schotty was. It might be true, but if it is then there shouldn't be a problem showing where exactly it was reported. Just saying "It has been reported..." doesn't exactly pass muster.
Well considering Favre told him the offense was too complicated and he turned down the option to interview for a HC job last year is why we would like a link. You are really making a big jump from complicated offense to Schotty wanting to leave. Nobody really heard Schotty wanted out and nobody reported it. That is why we want a link
I'm not blindly accepting it; I'm simply saying that it fits the narrative for a lot of folks here. But the underlying point I was implying is that, imo, it's not that big a deal that it's worth arguing about. It's simply an extension of the same argument that's been going on here for a long time now.
QB TD/Int's with the Jets under Schotty: Chad Pennington 28 TD's, 26 Int's, Int per start 1.0 Kellen Clemens 5 TD's, 11 Int's, Int per start 1.4 Brett Favre 22 TD's, 22 Int's, Int per start 1.6 Mark Sanchez 64 TD's, 54 Int's, Int per start 1.0 Seriously, who can look at this list and say that Sanchez was the problem in the Schotty/Sanchez duo?
Unfortunately, you are correct. I think the “win-now” mentality has to stop. The Jets have to do a better job in the draft. The idea of moving up has to stop.
Pennington and Favre both played really well for the Jets under Shotty. Pennington had a crappy arm and a crappy running game coupled with mediocre NFL talent at the WR and TE position. He had a great year in Miami when he was able to lead with a great running attack. He's only playoff game that year the running attack was stopped and Pennington threw 4 picks. Favre had us in position to get a first round bye possibly a 1 seed before his arm crapped out. Favre has been wildly inconsistent in his TD to INT ratio for years. The fact that he had a great year when healthy in a dome surrounded by great talent doesn't hide the fact that he was an interception machine several times in his last 6 years in the NFL. Clemens has not shown he is any better under any other circumstances and he played on a team with a terrible OL around him. He was thrown to the wolves and he wasn't ready. Shotty had to go but that's pure sepculation on why Sanchez looked like a panicked deer in the headlights who couldn't hit the side of a barn down the stretch. I'm guessing he was hurt but I can't blame the fact he sucked purely on Shotty. It's far to say they both had an awful year.
Well, yeah, I guess. But at what point does the fact that nobody has excelled under Schotty as an OC begin to become an indictment of his ability as an OC? I mean if the Jets were really very under-talented in the Chad years whose fault is that? If they weren't fundamentally sound in Favre's season, and they weren't, then whose fault is that? If they weren't fundamentally sound this last season, and they clearly were not, whose fault is that? The problems with the Jets offense the last 6 years lie somewhere above the QB on the food chain. The struggles of 4 straight QB's kind of lead us to that conclusion.
