Sanchez's Career vs Top QB's 1st Two Seasons

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by LoyalJetsFan, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. LoyalJetsFan

    LoyalJetsFan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hmm...I inserted an image of the spreadsheet with the stats
     
  2. LoyalJetsFan

    LoyalJetsFan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yup.

    I almost went down for that game...thank god I didn't. I would've been pissed to drop a single dollar to see Kellen Clemens play
     
  3. LoyalJetsFan

    LoyalJetsFan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    I disagree. The stats are what they are, and the purpose of my post was to generate an intelligent discussion on where our QB could be going.

    You can't compare Sanchez Year 2 to the other year 1 because they didn't start until year 3. So that's where the debate comes in on can Sanchez get to this level when starting day one vs some of the other who sat.
     
  4. LoyalJetsFan

    LoyalJetsFan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    FO can lick my balls.
     
  5. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2009
    Messages:
    2,551
    Likes Received:
    87
    LINK?

    Romo never doubled his int total year over year.

    Farve did doubled his int total 2009 to 2010, but Farve's 2009 numbers were off the charts good. He only threw 7 ints in the regular season, which for him was amazing.

    Garrard did double his int total from 07 to 08, but in 07 he only threw 3 ints and played 12 games. It's not hard to double 3 ints....
     
  6. LoyalJetsFan

    LoyalJetsFan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why even debate with Pats fan? Only reason he's here is because he's in between the Brady teabagging sessions
     
  7. PatPatriot

    PatPatriot Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    Messages:
    313
    Likes Received:
    6
    Awesome intelligent analysis right there.

    The link is right here. I meant to say interception RATE, not interception totals.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6888206/apartment-hunting-sin-city
     
  8. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2009
    Messages:
    2,551
    Likes Received:
    87
    I like looking at stats, so the dropped ints thing sounded interesting. Especially for fantasy football.

    The "ints doubling" thing sounded like BS. QB's don't usually double their int number unless they're injured or they had an inanely low int number the year before.

    The thing is, I googled around and couldn't find the Romo/Favre/Garrard thing. So I had to look them up individually and from the looks of it, using the stat with Favre/Garrard to project Sanchez to have more ints next year is misleading.

    If I had to bet, Brady is more likely to double his int number last year (from 4 to 8) than Sanchez is to double his int number (from 13 to 26). Of course that's because Brady had an insanely low number and his career norm is about 10 ints a year and 26 ints for Sanchez would be insanely high.
     
  9. Jets n Boys

    Jets n Boys Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2008
    Messages:
    6,203
    Likes Received:
    0
    Devin McCourty is better than Sanchez.
     
  10. NJjets1981

    NJjets1981 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2011
    Messages:
    157
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here it is^, How many of these QBs lead there teams to a 4-2 playoff record and 2 CG in their first two seasons??
     
  11. jetsons

    jetsons Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2010
    Messages:
    1,140
    Likes Received:
    34
    Well, against the bungles Mark threw a sure pick only to be dropped in the 1st qtr. For some reason he just throws the ball where it should NOT be thrown, he's NEEDS to stop doing this or he will never become a great QB.
     
  12. NJjets1981

    NJjets1981 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2011
    Messages:
    157
    Likes Received:
    0
    What kind of Dumbass stat is dropped INTs??
     
  13. LoyalJetsFan

    LoyalJetsFan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here are the 2 years averages when you remove Rodgers' stats:

    Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int

    277.4 461.1 60.5 3210.3 7.1 20.3 14.3
     
  14. LoyalJetsFan

    LoyalJetsFan New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2004
    Messages:
    3,566
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gronkowski would be a starting QB on any NFL team
     
  15. ScotsJet

    ScotsJet Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2004
    Messages:
    7,782
    Likes Received:
    0
    Grantland isn't a reputable source of information, for goodness' sake.
     
  16. NJjets1981

    NJjets1981 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2011
    Messages:
    157
    Likes Received:
    0
    This is not only the most dumbass stat ever used, but that would be like counting Sanchez dropped passes and assuming because he had X dropped passes by WRs last season his completion % will go up this year. So F'N Stupid. Dropped passes or INTs is completely out of Sanchezs hands.
     
  17. Organized Chaos

    Organized Chaos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2009
    Messages:
    2,551
    Likes Received:
    87
    Oh interesting.

    It's still pretty deceptive though. If by interception rate he means attempts to int ratio, the numbers are still screwed up a bit.

    Romo went from 1.6% to 3.2% but only played five full games.

    Romo played a very short season, and basically had 3 multi int games, one of which was the bears who finished 5th in ints on the season. Basically, you'd have to account for the strength of schedule as well with Romo, and it's reasonable to think he might not have doubled his interception rate had he played the whole season (or even a reasonable number of games, say 10).

    Garrard went from 1.7% to 4%! Ouch. But the funny part is his season was statistically much better than 2009.

    2009
    16 games
    516 attempts
    60.9 completion percentage
    3597 yards
    15 tds
    10 ints

    2010
    14 games
    366 attempts
    64.5 completion rate
    2734yards
    23 tds
    15 ints

    If you're going to tell me that Sanchez will gain 5% on his completion percentage, 2% on his int ratio and 50% of his td total, I'll gladly take it.

    Farve of course shit the bed compared to his career year in 2009.

    I think the stat is still a bit misleading. In Romo and Garrard case they had less games, plus Garrard had a better year than in 2009 despite the state. Farve's 2009 was so good, his 2010 was bound to fall off. I don't think the dropped ints was a good indicator of what was to come (Well, maybe in Farve's case).

    It is an interesting stat though.
     
  18. klecko73

    klecko73 Guest

    When you are projecting the development of a player, you need to ensure that the baseline stat is at a comparable level.

    Sanchez, unlike everyone on that list, came out as a Junior with 16 games of college football and without the benefit of 4 years of college development. Some of those QBs had 2-3 times as many starts and reps in college as Sanchez. That doesn't even include those who sat their first year in the pros (or several years in Rodgers case) as opposed to Sanchez starting as rookie in what really amounted to his senior year in college.

    Throwing a chart out there comparing Year 1 & 2 doesn't explain anything. You see more when you apply common sense and slide the data to reflect a comparable baseline. More is revealed about Sanchez as a Qb by comparing his year 2 to the other samples year 1 than throwing sh%t against the wall under the guise of "intelligent discussion" to foster debate.

    If you go by the stats that your provided, Sanchez is more apt to turn into Jamarcus Russell than anyone else on that list. However, we all would agree that this won't happen (that isn't to say he will be Peyton Manning either) because the work ethic is there and there was meaningful improvement from Year 1 to Year 2.

    The bottom line with Sanchez is that his play this year will dictate his future in the NFL. If his play, barring injury, improves this year he can remain on track. If his play stagnates or worsens, like Henne, we will be looking for a new QB. Despite what Dolfags say, the issue with Henne isn't that he was that bad (they often point out he had comparable stats to Sanchez), it was that Henne - unlike Sanchez - showed no signs of improvement from his first year as a starter to year 2 as a starter. Making the Henne situation even worse is that he was a 4-year starter at Michigan and sat for the first year in Miami. The is a large enough data sample available on this guy to demonstrate that he has hit a plateau in his development.

    EDIT - Also, as this year is a critical year for Sanchez's development, I think that is why the FO didn't rework his contract at this time. There is no point in giving this guy an extension until they see how he performs.
     
    #38 klecko73, Aug 24, 2011
    Last edited by a moderator: Aug 24, 2011
  19. gopats88

    gopats88 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2010
    Messages:
    852
    Likes Received:
    5
    You don't need a reliable source to get simple facts:

    2009 Favre:
    521 attempts, 7 interceptions, 1.34 interceptions per 100 attempts
    2010 Favre:
    358 attempts, 19 interceptions, 5.31 interceptions per 100 attempts
    His interception rate quadrupled (3.96 to be exact)

    2009 Romo:
    550 attempts, 9 interceptions, 1.64 interceptions per 100 attempts
    2010 Romo:
    213 attempts, 7 interceptions, 3.29 interceptions per 100 attempts
    His interception rate doubled (2.00 to be exact)

    2009 Garrard:
    516 attempts, 10 interceptions, 1.94 interceptions per 100 attempts
    2010 Garrard:
    366 attempts, 15 interceptions, 4.10 interceptions per 100 attempts
    His interception rate doubled (2.11 to be exact)
     
  20. SienaSaints

    SienaSaints Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2010
    Messages:
    2,108
    Likes Received:
    148
    Yea speaking of Grantland how is Kevin Kolb undervalued, he has never played before.
     

Share This Page