Sanchez not learning....

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  1. tanknyc

    tanknyc Active Member

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    Sanchez will be the best NYJ QB ever..... He is a rookie right now and he is gonna be thrashed alot and he will learn from it and go into next season knowing that he was played for the season and he got to learn hands on and not on the bench.
     
  2. BadgerOnLSD

    BadgerOnLSD Banned

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    Bingo. When was the last time we saw a QB improve during Schotty's tenure?
     
  3. 28rogerblaze51

    28rogerblaze51 New Member

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    once sanchez corrects those very simple QB musts he will be really good.
     
  4. HardHitta

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    Theres no doubt in my mind Sanchez will be a good QB and i dont think he's not learning and regressing i just think he's been inconsistant. An the Interceptions have come in bunches.
     
  5. NDmick

    NDmick Revis Christ

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    he's never had a QB improve under his tutelage anywhere he's ever gone.

    get him the fuck out of here.
     
  6. ToddisGod

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    NDMICK do you not think that some of the issues with "pump fakes" play action are not the result of play calling. I don't exactly remember but I believe Sanchez hit a deep ball to Cotchery week one against Houston and the announcer- perhaps Simms said he had watched Sanchez in college, preseason etc... and on straight back play action he might have the best ball fake on play action and is excellent on pump fakes.

    My point is does it not seem like so many of our passing plays are designed rolll outs or plays that really take away about 3/4 of the field. If you only have 1 or maybe 2 recievers in any given route because of the fact you have rolled to right or left what does a "pump fake" do for you or play action, your not fooling anyone because the fact that the QB is on the run or so far to one side or the other of the field that he only has 1 or maybe 2 options.

    Its is nice that the CS believes QB thows the ball accurately on the run. Tom Brady throws the ball accurately on the run too as well as Manning. Guess what they run when the pocket breaks down not by design.

    Run the ball on 1st down, run the ball on second down. Hell two unsuccessful runs put us at 3 and 4 3 and 5, downs and distance you can play action out of, let the kid drop back stay in pocket and throw a "Traditional Fucking Ball"
     
  7. nyjunc

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    I love how people will look at the overall #s and balme Sanchez as if he has had a bad season but in reality 13 of his 16 INTs came in THREE games! he's had 3 horrendous games and played well enough to win in the other 7. If I was told he'd play like that befoe the year I would have taken it. Let's not make this out to be Mark Sanchez's fault that we are 4-6. 3 losses are on his shoulder and the other 3 are not.
     
  8. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    What has he had to work w/? Kellen Clemens and that's it and Clemens had ONE chance to play and that was 2007 w/ an awful team around him.

    If people don't think Mark Sanchez has improved this year you just aren't watching the games. Players are allowed to have bad games and he had just his 3rd yesterday. A week ago he led us to what should have been his first comeback win but the D blew it. Mark Sanchez has taken huge strides overall, he took a step back yesterday but every time this guy has played a poor game he always comes back strong the next week.
     
  9. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    You play QB in the NFL? What team?
     
  10. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    I really don't think people understand how learning works. Learning the alphabet doesn't mean you become a reader with great speed and comprehension in a straight line. Sanchez looked better early because he went through training camp with the same corp. of players practicing the same things over and over again. There was a combination of rhythm, timing and muscle memory that developed and he looked reasonably comfortable and his athletic ability showed in a positive manner.

    Over the course of an NFL season guys get banged up they don't practice full out all week, trades are made, personal changes and the opposition is doing things based on film to take you out of your comfort range. I suspect just like when I learned how to ski and how to play tennis or basketball or any skill of any kind there are periods where you click in and progress and periods of plateau and regression. We may not see a click to another level this year, we might. Chances are a full off-season with a season under his belt will allow another progression.

    The other factor which is clear is a rookie QB creates a lot of indecision by the receivers. If you watched NE yesterday, their corp. of receivers and running backs in patterns all are on the same page. Nobody has to look to a spot to instinctively know where outlets will be. Nobody has to help the QB by doing more than they should. They are focussed on running their routes and catching the ball, not helping the QB.

    To say he isn't learning is to not understand what learning really is.

    Sanchez has been awful in places and clearly has cost us some games. Reality is the entire team isn’t a SB quality team and that allows the Jets to let Sanchez play through it. The idea that a decent veteran or Clemens or Garcia makes this Jets team a SB contender is absurd. Anyone watching this team has seen self destruction in many assets of the game having nothing to do with the QB.
     
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  11. Johnny4

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    They have yet to simplify things for this kid. I don't understand the coaching. STOP trying to make him win games. Teach him to manage the game first! Rex, time to put the reigns on Brian. Sanchez should have been benched after the last pick. It was dumb. He has to learn.
     
  12. Hemi

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    Exactly. If anything, he is usually on the money on intermediate to deep throws.
     
  13. DMSMaven

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    Absolutely ... It's bad enough to be a rookie with a rookie HC ... But to have "clueless" OC and QB coaches "teaching" you makes for a nearly impossible situation ...

    I'm not qualified to make the calls, but it sure doesn't seem that those coaching MS are putting him in situations that would help him succeed ... I won't absolve MS of all blame, but some of the play calling seems suspect to say the least ...
     
  14. Harpua

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    Take a hint from the Phins. Keep 6, 7, or even 8 in to block on passing downs. Make sure he has time and is comfortable. Make damn sure he knows to Throw the ball away when in trouble. No more empty sets. No more two receivers within 5 yards of each other. Do not try to out think the Defense on every play. Simple football. Either we beat them with it or we do not.
     
  15. LoyalJetsFan

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    Good?

    This highly touted D gave the Miami and JAX game away. And we were sold that the D will carry the team.

    Has Sanchez cost us games? NO DOUBT. But he is a rookie, and shit like that will happen.
     
  16. Twombles

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    Has Kitna retired? I think he'd be a good coach for Sanchez...
     
  17. ToddisGod

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    just want to know if anyone else feels this way. Watching highlights for about the 10th time (low lights) other then the last pick which was by far the worse, there are atleast two or three of our recievers within 5yds of each other. I would venture to say 1/2 the picks were made by defenders assigned to other players then the one thrown too. This is not to say these were good throws or good decisions. Does this not seem to be a problem of the Shchotty Offense though.
     
  18. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The reason the Phins keep 6, 7 0r 8 in is beacuse their best players are running backs and their worst players are recievers. It is just the opposite with our team.
     
  19. Andy_M

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    Exactly. Sanchez will be fine......

    .....just as soon as we get Shottenheimer the fuck out of NY.

    ....and send Sutton and Cavanaugh packing on the same train........
     
  20. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Kerry Rhodes will be a beast as soon as we unload Mangini.
     

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