They are both great but completely different. There is no one better in the pocket diagnosing play than Peyton. Luck is a few notches below Peyton in that department. However, Luck can hurt you outside the pocket and is physically strong enough to shake off defenders and extend plays. Peyton will go down and live to fight another down. If I'm starting a team I'm probably taking Luck over Manning all things being equal just because to the mobility element he brings but it's not as easy of a decision as yo make it seem.
Wtf bro ... What does that have to do with marks era here? Your speaking on "woulda coulda" I'm speaking on the proof thats in the pudding which is what happened here. The debate is him prospering there vs what he did here.. Not his 16 game college career that showed you soooooo much or what he did in two preseason games with Marty. And to make matters worse his first play under Marty (the system we have now) was a turnover for 6 points vs Detroit last year
For those of you that says it was good for the organization to rid themselves of Sanchez because "he would never have success here", do you think it a good decision for Tampa to trade Steve Young away? FTR Sanchez is no Steve Young and will never be anywhere as good. I just want to understand if this logic is consistent or just reserved for Sanchez. Young was considered a bust in Tampa but Walsh saw something there not unlike Kelly did in Sanchez.
Imagine if the Giants had fired Coughlin and gotten rid of Eli like NYG fans wanted to happen, they would have 2 less SBs and would only have 1 more than us right now.
Mark was never going to be the guy you see in Philly right now IMO, better offensive philosophy, more reliable weapons. Chip Kelly knows Mark Sanchez far more than any scout, coach or teammate the Jets had here. He COULD have succeeded here, but the Jets never had a developmental plan for him. 2 instances in Jets history where I knew Mark wouldn't work out. 1. Color Wrist Band to restrict game 2. Off-season after the Steelers AFCCG loss.
According to QB experts who have followed Sanchez for a decade, the Jets blew it: "Late in the spring of 2011, Bret Johnson had set aside a full weekend to study film from Sanchez's first season in the NFL. From a pure football standpoint, no one knows Sanchez better than Johnson and his father, Bob, who run a highly regarded quarterback camp in Southern California and who have tutored Sanchez since he was 12. And from that New York Jets' 2009 tape, Johnson could see the strategies that opponents had used to confuse Sanchez, and he could sense how Sanchez's mind raced to decode those tricky blitzes and coverages. Sanchez, though, never appeared to advance beyond that rudimentary understanding of how to play quarterback at the highest level, and once a shoulder injury kept him off the field for the entire 2013 season and once the Jets released him in March, it was easy to write him off as another big-name, first-round bust. But remember: Sanchez played under three offensive coordinators with the Jets, and Kelly's quick mind and slimmed-down system offer him both the comfort and creativity that any quarterback craves from a play-caller. "In high school, he hit on 73 percent of his balls in a two-year period," Johnson said. "That was in the highest level of football in California. He was accurate there. In college, he was very accurate. It just takes a couple of years to get it to where you're not thinking as much. When you're thinking, it's going to affect your accuracy. It's going to affect everything that you do." That's the thing about Kelly and his system: As demeaning as it sounds, Sanchez doesn't have to think now. He just listens to Kelly, sizes up the defense, and acts accordingly, and the simplicity of that process freed him to play Monday with a confidence that he'd lost long ago. Had Celek somehow maintained his balance and barreled into the end zone, sure, that would have made the whole night a little sweeter, but as low moments for Mark Sanchez go, it still was a hell of a lot higher than they used to be." http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...nds_his_groove_in_powering_Eagles_to_win.html
WTF Bro...Other than a very small sample in the preseason in which he looked pretty good, he never had a chance to play in MM's system. So you have no fucking clue that "this system" was not right for him. However, as a prospect, I and many scouts would agree, felt his skill set was best suited for a WCO. During the 2012 season, I was posting for us to hire MM in the off-season specifically to salvage our investment, which was Sanchez. The minute we FINALLY did it, matched player with right system, he gets hurt then let go. Now that it seems the "he's not an NFL starter" narrative may be dispelled now the talking point is converniently being changed to "he wouldn't work under this system anyway". Just smells like total BS to me bro.
Actually most scouts saw him as a player who would thrive in a vertical offense that got him outside the pocket. As you're seeing with the Eagles, they were pretty much right.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/thre...oc-sparano-imminent.76175/page-3#post-2680763 Report: Jets firing of OC Sparano "imminent" Post by: legler82, Dec 24, 2012 in forum: New York Jets Who do you think the next Offensive Coordinator is? Post by: legler82, Jan 12, 2013 in forum: New York Jets
Sparano ran a vertical offense. And most of the Eagles offensive coaching staff outside Kelly are WCO guys like QBC Bill Musgrave and OC Pat Shurmur. Sanchez has attributed a lot of his "renaissance" to the afore-mentioned coaches.
Sparano was THE WORST OC in Jets history besides Walt Michaels 1980 OC. P.S. The Jets had no OC in 1980 after Michaels had a falling out with his OC from past years, a fella by the name of John Idzik.
Imagine if the Bengals had fired Marvin Lewis instead of letting him ride it out a million years hoping he was the guy
For Sanchez it’s the first time that he has thrown for at least 300 yards, had multiple touchdown passes and had no turnovers in the same game.
Furthermore, Kelly's offense spread's you out and attacks you horizontally sideline to sideline with toss sweeps, read options, bubble screens...etc. Last night they had match-ups they liked inside against the nickel CB and safeties that's why they attacked the seams more than usual. Normally, you'll see a lot of passes behind the line of scrimmage with the occasional deep shot.
Agree with this. I believe in order to succeed in NY the organization has to be mentally tough and have a firm philosophy.
The operative word being "did". That's without question. What's preposterous is the notion he "would never have" succeeded here. It's just something the people who wanted him gone will say to make them feel better about themselves if he ends up playing well.
BTW, attacking defenses horizontally rather than vertically is a concept Kelly's offense shares with the WCO.
I see what your saying but im not one of those people i wanted mark to prosper here. We'll be remixing this when geno goes somewhere else and does his thing im sure lol
