Sanchez Kicking Ass In Philly

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  1. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    Chip Kelly thinks so but I don't. And he knows a million times more about football than I do. I don't think Mark is a good fit for the WCO. He's not accurate enough. Esp if there is a pass rush he can easily be rattled. We'll see. To me the best offense for Mark is a simplified ground and pound.
     
  2. nyjunc

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    what a throw and I saw the old enthusiasm yesterday, looked like '09/'10 out there.
     
  3. nyjunc

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    any QB can be rattled w/ pressure, that's how you beat good QBs.
     
  4. JStokes

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    Yeah wasn't sure it was during the playoffs or during the season.

    He looks like a different thrower today then he looked in 2012.

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  5. pclfan

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    To me an excuse. All players are injured. If he wasn't healthy esp his arm he wouldn't have played. And true Mark and the rest of the world don't care what I think. It's not a big fucken deal. Even I don't care.
     
  6. pclfan

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    I said easily be rattled not rattled. And then turn over the ball. And the stats are there to prove it. But again his fans will find all kinds of excuses.
     
  7. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    I am not sure of the exact moment it happened but I vividly remember him dragging that shoulder in the Pitt reg season game even though he threw the ball well and had a great game.
     
  8. nyjunc

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    anyone would be rattled w/ the talent he had to throw to. when he had talent around him he was less rattled.
     
  9. legler82

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    McNabb and Vick excelled in the WCO and they are not very accurate passers. If you got the feet that scheme can make you pass for an "accurate" QB if you are one of those that thinks CMP% is definitive measure of accuracy.
     
  10. pclfan

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    Look if Mark throws a ton of picks next week and loses the game I won't gloat or jump to conclusions. Give him a fair chance he hasn't played in over a year. You can say the same thing for Mike Vick. In a roundabout way it was a trade of Qbs. I'll take Vick.
     
  11. pclfan

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    Again we hear excuses for Mark's record setting turnover ratio. It's never on him. It's always someone else. Never any accountability. Well he has no excuses in Philly. But I'm sure you'll find them.
     
  12. legler82

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    While I believe he is a system type guy, he's not a safe game manager like Alex Smith. He has a bit of a gunslinger mentality in that he will try to make plays. Sometimes those turn out positive and other times negative. So he will always be a high TO guy like Eli. In the right offensive system though, I believe the positives will outweigh the negatives like 25-30 TDs to 15-20 INTs. But you can win with that.
     
  13. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    That's not true - look at Big Ben yesterday. Sanchez could be 1 big hit away from being rattled.
     
  14. 1968jetsfan

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    The point is a QB who is turning the ball over a lot is costing you wins or making it more difficult for your team to win. A QB who turns the ball over frequently is constantly putting your teams back to the wall and can turn a 13-3 team in to a 8-8 team.

    my main focus has always been that unless your a Peyton Manning or similar you can't overcome turnovers on a consistent basis. I like a 60% or better completion rate, it shows you're efficient.
    I like 4000 yard seasons, it shows you can make big plays and carry your team if needed.
    I like 35+ TD's, it shows you can light up the scoreboard...

    I demand of my QB not to turn the ball over with frequency. If your TD to turnover ratio is under 1.25 to 1 you are hurting your team, You want to be at 1.5 to one to be lifting your team, but 1.25 to 1 your not hurting your team overall, you're neutral effect. Sanchez in his career is under 1-1, that's a drag on the team. He's been over 1.2-1 once, 2010 he was at 1.3 to 1 and the result? The Jets won 11 games. He wasn't efficient, he wasn't carrying the team, but he was a plus to the team because he kept his turnovers down to where his production exceeded the drag his turnovers created. I know you'll ask what about 2011 when he 32 TD's (rushing and passing), he also turned the ball over 26 times (18 picks 8 lost fumbles)...and that doesn't get to the break point....Ideally teams want a 1.5 to 1 TD to turnover ratio or better.

    It's all about the turnovers and if your QB is helping your team win, or if the team is having to work harder to overcome the drag created by the QB. If your going to turn the ball over 20+ times a season you'd better be putting up 3700+ yards a season, 30+ TDs a season, etc, to have a chance to be a plus QB.

    IN the end it's all about taking care of the ball and contributing more than your costing.
     
  15. pclfan

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    To me Sanchez can only be successful in a conservative offense as a game manager like Alex Smith. With no gun slinging. He can't do it and proved it with the Jets. Schotty's big mistake was allowing him to be a full service throwing Qb in year 3. That's when everything started falling apart. They should have stayed with the ground and pound. Mark as a gunslinger. What a disaster.
     
  16. legler82

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    LOL...Big Ben is a rare breed. How many Big Ben types are out there in the NFL? He's the only QB in the league who can shake off 300 lbs defensive linemen and have it not really impact his vision down field.
     
  17. nyjunc

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    show me a QB that has succeeded w/ Chaz Schilens starting?

    Ben may not rattle physically but he has been rattled mentally before even if last night he wasn't but Ben is an all time great.

    clearly one of the INTs was not his fault, we don't know on the other one as it appeared to be a miscommunication btw him and his WR. who was in the wrong? don't know and the WR also appeared to be held as well. Mark played GREAT yesterday and you still bash b/c you know you have been wrong all along.
     
  18. 1968jetsfan

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    Really when Kelly is playing his game plan and not getting pass happy like the team got this year , they run a 50/50 run pass ratio, with a slight edge to the running game. Kelly wants to run the ball to get 8 guys in the box to open up the passing game. this year they got out of character and were passing more than 60% of the time coming in to yesterdays game. yesterday they ran 40 and passed 35 times, which is what they do when they're effective...the two main rushers were both over 5 yards a carry and were busting big plays that forced an already bad pass defense to play 8 in the box....all advantage Philly at that point.
     
  19. nyjunc

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    how was that proven? our pass O carried the O in 2010 and nearly got us to a SB.

    the big mistake was putting out less talent on the field to throw to, hand off to and to block and expecting Mark to all of a sudden just carry lesser talent to a SB.
     
  20. 101GangGreen101

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    Plenty of other QBs that don't get rattled under pressure. Philip Rivers is another great example - have you ever seen him extend the play in the pocket and deliver a ball down the field? Andrew Luck does this, Flacco at times does. Big Ben was just 1 example. I remember Sanchez in 2012 take a hit from Woodley and he never played the same the rest of that season.

    Any defense that hits Mark, the guy will become rattled.
     

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