And before Hobbes brings up the "yeah but last week he had a 98 QBR" I would like to point out that there are 30 QB's who have a QBR of 99 or over for BOTH pre-season games. Including such illustrious names as Tavarias Jackson 156.2, Brandon Wheeden 139.8, Ryan Fitzpatrick 131.5, jeff Tuel 130.1, TJ Yates 112.5, EJ Manuel 112.0, Jason Campbell 110.9, John (I stink as a QB) Skelton 110.7, Case Keenum (who?) 108.0, Bryan Hoyer 104.8. And that's eliminating anyone with fewer than 18 attempts, and most of them having between 20-40 attempts. And since I know the next line will be "they were playing against Scrubs" I'd like to point out that roughly 1/3 or so of Sanchez's attempts have been against 2nd and 3rd unit players. and yes I did omit the names of actual GOOD QB's who are established in the league from my short list, I omitted Rogers, Brady, Both Mannings, Brees, and so on from the list of players with higher QBR's than Sanchez. Which kind of goes to show why QBR is a worthless stat.
I need to know if I'm being racist when I call Mark Sanchez "La Máquina de la Interceptación?" He is, after all, "The Interception Machine."
Sanchez has improved, and is playing way better, no doubt. I think people are just tired of the stupid mistakes, red zone pick, and pick six on a screen pass where he had plenty of time is what is driving the fan base truly nuts. That being said, he has shown he deserves to be the starting QB for week 1 at least, he is doing a much better job of moving the ball down the field and at least finding the end zone this time around.
Game one, 10/13, 5 completions of 20 plus yards, all three QBs, over 90 in passer rating. Game two 27 points, by Nacho. Thats the offense we have had for the last 7 years? (minus teams that dont play in Buffalo.l)
ROFL hobbes, nice try but your the one who brought QBR in to the debate, I NEVER use that stat on my own unless I'm referencing what someone else has stated OR I know that the person, like yourself, uses it. I even stated in my messages that I hate QBR, it's a horrible stat. But nice try to Deflect Hobbes. But thanks for posting that, His completion percentage was nice, his YPA was nice, but it all came off of ONE Drive, his other drives were 3 and out or pick sixes.....you know, typical Sanchez.
Bleeding green, ALL valid points BUT, and I know we have all heard this a million times BUT it is worth repeating, ITS PRE-SEASON, and the vanilla defenses and LACK of blitzing, zone blitzes, exotic coverages etc. tend to make many sub-par QBS look like Joe Willie. One thing I have learned with SANCHEZ, against the BLITZ, he is awful and having to read any complex defense is far beyond his USC EDUCATION. When he posts an 84.7 and TQBRS near 50 in REAL games, then we have a sccop BUT up until now, in REAL games, he posts 60ish QBR's and 25ish TQBR's! Again, just facts!
Dude, yes already hit 9 for 20 plus yards in two games. After 39 all season. And, a good passer rating one week. And 30 points the next (in a real game they kick the FG at the end of the second qtr) What is there to bitch about at this point?
Would you have any idea of where one could find the stats of Sanchez's numbers on plays with 5+ blitzers? I can't imagine those numbers, oh god.
That list is meaningless in the pre-season. Tavaris Jackson, Brandon Weeden and Kirk cousins are ahead of Tom Brady...followed by Ryan Fitzpatrick, B.J. Daniels and Jeff Tuel. So what... The real pity is that Sanchez, in the first two pre-season games, has had the opportunity to silence the naysayers, or at least limit them to comments like ..."Just wait, he'll revert to form." Instead he has face-palm moments in both games and has quite a few shitty throws...against weak defenses mind you. He continues to add fuel to the anti-Sanchez fire. I've yet to see last nite's game, so I'm left to make the following observation just based on the hi-lites I have seen, and the comments made here. Hobbes's continues to trumpet that "System matters"....and that's true, but execution matters even more. There will be few moments for Sancho to display his "clutch" play when he can't get off a screen pass or reliably hit receivers in stride. That's just the way it is.
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and no hobbes I didn't confuse the ESPN stat with the NFL "Universally accepted" QBR, QBR is a Horrible stat to judge a QB by. Just how worthless is that stat? Carson Palmer ranks #19 all time for his career on that list. According to QBR Chad Pennington is the 13th best QB to EVER PLAY THE GAME!. Trent Greene is tied for #20 with Brett Favre on that career list. According to career QBR David Garrard is the 23rd best QB of all time. Mark Bulger is #27 of all time Mark Brunell is #29 of all time. Jason Campbell is #40 of all time. Starting to get the picture yet? QBR is a HORRIBLE way to judge a QB. Source material http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm
Game two, 10 points in half against the first string worst defense in the NFL, 17 points in one quarter against that same worst defense's in the NFL's players who will be "bagging groceries" after next week. Two redzone failures against the NFL's worst defense with a pick. VS Detroit he scored 14 points!!!! Of course 7 of those points were for the Lions.
The scary thing is, in my opinion, Sanchez did well enough overall last night to retain his "incumbant" (according to Rex) starting position. There were some passes that were right on the money. Thrown perfectly. There were others that sailed high (one was tipped... still a problem for him though, maybe b/c of his height?). And there were still others that forced the receiver to become a contortionist that resulted in no (or very little) YPC. And of course there was the earlier INT. And the Clock Management fuckup resulting in no FG. But overall, he gets a "B" for last night while Geno and GMac both get "Incompletes," and Simms gets an "A" for effort. So who did best last night? You guessed it. And that is why we are doomed.
But hey, I'm not totally negative on Sanchez, at least he hasn't fumbled yet...at least I don't recall any off hand.
