the jets have been a middling team the past 4 years. 9-7 11-5 8-8 6-10 if i remember correctly. thats one good, one bad and two middling. to say they have been consistently good would be silly. and it wasnt like the team was dominant during that 11-5 year.
but but... sanchez sucks? that article is just ridiculous, and frankly, i dont really give a shit about anything it has to say. i know what im watching, and have watched so much jets tape it should be my job. mark sanchez is such a small problem of the offense going back through his career, and yet everybody is calling the guy the worst qb in the league (now ever)? it makes me feel like im going crazy, like i have no idea what im watching after all these years. but so much has happened to this team over the past two seasons not involving mark sanchez. are you going to blame injuries last season on him (yes), or the talent level dropping off of a cliff on him in his 4th season in the league? are we blaming him for the defenses easily anticipating what plays and routes were going to be run based off our formations and motions? is it marks fault now that plaxico burress couldnt get separation on single coverage out of the redzone in his third season as a starter when schotty went pass happy on a raw 3rd year starter? these arent excuses, these are the circumstances surrounding the career of mark sanchez. you cannot overlook them when analyzing his career. one bad season and the guy is the worst quarterback ever. sure he posted low numbers, but the team was winning. and if i remember correctly, he still has a winning record as a starting qb. yeh mark was a problem, but he was only part of it, not nearly the whole thing.
The graphic rates QBs who have started 4 years (of over 10 games) based on their whole career. The number next to them is not passer rating, it's a rating that compares their play to the QBs around them each year. Then each number from each season is added together to get an average. So if you play 5-6 great seasons being the top QB in the league, and then retire your average will probably be higher than a QB who played 5-6 great seasons being the top QB in the league and then 5-6 okay seasons being an above average QB in the league. This is because the above average years will bring the average down. If you even disregard the graphic, it shows that Sanchez's first and last year were pretty terrible and his middle years were just above average. I would argue his second year pushes him above average (16th ranked QB in the league) but I do have ranking 12-15 which on the lower end of that is right next to average. So even if you disregarded the graphic, it shows that Sanchez has struggled to outplay his peers and his best years in the league he has been average in comparison to his peers. We already knew this, but this speaks to consistency throughout a year. He hasn't had the consistency to play at an above average level all year, so his above average games get brought down with below average games and you aren't sure what you are getting from him each drive.
If Sanchez was the opposite, and had great numbers but less wins, you would prop the #s up as if it were the bible. It wouldn't matter. You just support your favorites regardless. Eli Manning has 2 SB M.V.P.'s yet you use blind #s to talk him down.
You don't know me which is crazy since you have been a fan of mine for many years. I am not a #s w/o wins/clutch play guy. Eli has been great in postseason(though he didn't deserve either MVP award) as Sanchez has been. The difference btw them in postseason has been the D/STs of both teams. Eli has led a team w/ SB caliber talent around him to ONE postseason in the past 4 years which is LESS than the terrible sanchez despite sanchez having less takent and the Pats in his division. Eli is a good QB in the reg season and really good in postseason(2 of his last 3). I'd take him in a big spot over most QBs in the league.
Ironically enough, thanks for making my point. Not the top guy. But the top TWO guys played for a man considered the greatest offensive mind of the modern era. The guy at the bottom played for one of the worst. So, either Bill Walsh was just really lucky, or SYSTEM MATTERS. (p.s....i hate to burst the retarded chart bubble...but it isnt accurate. steve Young finished with a career rating of 96.8) Prior to Bill Walsh, his Passer rating was a mighty 63.1 All of you posting that chart have no idea what it actually represents.
Not total scores, scores in a single season. He put up more scores in 2011, than any other QB under Schotty, and in fact Tannenbaum himself said that putting up the 32 was a major reason for his extension.
Sanchez always reminded me of Harrington, on the field and off...scary how close they are. Their career arcs are identical.
I notice you clipped off Steve Youngs mighty 63 passer rating, pre Bill Walsh. So, HOF steve young didnt get talent, until he left TB?
No, they arent. And as I said, you dont know what that chart actually is, in fact even the header is illiterate. Heres a clue...those arent career stats. Those arent even Full Season stats.
But he turned the ball over 26 times too. Thus offsetting the scoring he was doing. Outside of the scoring, he was the same inaccurate, turnover prone QB. Hardly deserving of an extension. Thus why Tanny is now unemployed.
Ding....ding...ding.... We have a winner. The guy with 18 posts, points it out first. The article posts single season high water marks. In Youngs case he threw less than 100 passes, and posted the 120 rating. So, if I only used Sanchez game, against St Louis, his rating would be 118. Heres youngs stats. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/Y/YounSt00.htm One year he attempts 69 passes. Posts 120. Two years later attempts 90 passes, posts 120. Which says, (as he appeared in about 10 games each of those seasons), that more likely than not, he was being featured in Goalline situations, as he only started 3 games in both seasons.
He was still plus 6. Something even Favre couldnt manage. And no, the fact that they were second in Red Zone efficiency, yet 25th in offense, shoild also give you a clue.
Right, and for every Steve Young, or Drew Brees there are far more shitty QB's that go to other teams and still stink. Players going from crappy to HOF is an anomaly not the norm. Can Sanchez pull a Steve Young or Drew Brees? IMO I doubt it but you never know. If he beats out Geno then this season is the time for him to pull his Steve Young career arc.
But until Favre got hurt, despite the INT's he was still making plays. You can live with INT's if the QB is making plays. Favre was far more accurate than Sanchez ever was in that 08 season. Sanchez was asked to throw short, intermediate passes and was turning the ball over like crazy. Most of Favre's INT's were him taking deep shots down the field, so even if it's picked off at least the defense would be starting at a decent spot on the field. Sanchez INT's were on short passes thus putting the defense at a disadvantage. Plus the Jets were 8th in total offense under Favre. When you have a HOF QB all the little things people bitch about don't seem to matter as much. When you have QB's like Pennington on their last legs, or Sanchez your offense tends to suck.
You guys are ridiculous. You embrace a bullshit chart... Then point out that I said "system matters" and used the steve young issue, from your bogus chart.... And shift from the "system matters" argument, to say..theres many bad QBs. :rofl: I never said, Sanchez would be a HOFer. I said he was shckled in a system, that killed other QBs. Bottom line is, Sanchez, made bigger, more important p,aus than Favre did. Thats just a fact. And he outscored him during the 2011 8-8 season. Yes Favre had a better completion rate. So did Penny. But..Scoring wins games, not completion pct.
Except the system never "killed" any of the other QB's that played in it. If the QB sucks it wont matter, you can't have sustained success with a bad QB. I never said you said Sanchez would be a HOFer. You keep bringing up the Steve Young argument about him going from Tampa to SF and then having success. You assume that all Sanchez needs is a change of system and we'll begin to see Sanchez play better. I simply said that bad QB's in different systems still suck and that Young and Brees were the exception. You keep saying he outscored Favre, so what? Favre outscored Sanchez in that system in 3 out of the 4 years Sanchez played under Schotty. Does that mean anything? No.
