this is just tiring. football is a 60 minute game. in that game, sometimes shit just happens, and i know that sounds like an excuse but there are always going to be those plays where just about the worst possible thing that could happen happens. and when that happens, sometimes it takes a while for the team to get there shit together. maybe a leader on the field is having an off night and the rest of the guys arent being held to the same standard. maybe the qb makes a bad throw and it gets picked off and the team starts to lose confidence and play worse. maybe the wr runs the wrong route on a 3-step timing route and the ball goes right to a defender. maybe a lineman gets blown up on a play and the qb doesnt have time to protect the ball properly and it gets stripped. you might want to blame the qb for all of those things, but only one of those situations includes the qb doing anything wrong, and thats just one of a million things that can go wrong during a game. the qb is important, but you cant just pretend that the rest of the team doesnt exist. the qb can only be as good as the system he is running. its why favre came in and tweaked schottys playbook to his liking. if the system didnt matter, he wouldnt have taken the time to do all that word, instead he would ahve just studied the playbook and did his thing.
its been a week into training camp and he has had one bad day surrounded by a lot of very good days. just because geno smith is the real deal and is showing us he might just be ready to go doesnt mean that sanchez isnt playing well either.
And even that is misleading because the Jets offense actually ranked 21st in the league in terms of points per drive. The Jets offense had the 4th highest drive total in the league in 2010; largely because the defense ranked 2nd in yards/drive, 1st in punts/drive and 3rd in drive success rate (the percentage of down series that result in a first down or touchdown). Not to mention the Jets were second in the league in average starting field position. The defense, on the other hand, was 5th in points per drive. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestats2010
Sanchez has been a victim of just poor mismanagement of the offensive talent. Sanchez proved that when he has weapons, he can make the plays at the right time. And to all these people that claim that he should improve without the weapons, I mean get real seriously. Sanchez after 2010 was on the same level as Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco. If the Ravens had stripped Joe Flacco of his run game and receivers like they did to Sanchez, Flacco would have struggled the same way. Big Ben is great but Big Ben has been loaded with talent his entire career, both Ben and Flacco wouldnt make it with the garbage Sanchez was given last season. The difference between Flacco/Ben and Sanchez is the talent thats been surrounding them. When Sanchez had the talent that those guys have been given annually, he has proved he can play right next to them. Then the other famous reply is that the turnovers shouldnt happen no matter whos out on the field. Again, GET REAL, look at Drew Brees last season. Brees was asked to do a lot more so he pressed more similar to how Sanchez pressed which lead to Brees having 19 interceptions and 5 lost fumbles. Sanchez's mistake was not demanding out a year ago. Everyone knew they didnt give him any help, yet people got mad when he struggled. I hope for Sanchez's sake he finds a job elsewhere if the Jets are going to waste his career away.
thats all fine and dandy but it has nothing to do with him not being able to put the ball out in front of a back coming out of the backfield. his offensive talent or lack of receivers doesnt put the ball on the back shoulder instead of the front shoulder.
This is undeniably true. But... It isn't about making plays at the right time while you leave your team on tenterhooks 80% of the time, critically under-producing early in games and making games where the defense has shut down the opposing offense unbearably close late, leading too... Inevitable defensive breakdowns now and then because when 80% of the games are tight late the defense will allow scores now and then to lose the game. No he wasn't. If you don't understand what actually being a good QB in the case of Ben Roethlisberger or an efficient one in the case of Joe Flacco is all about you shouldn't be making comparisons. Mark Sanchez has never been either a good nor efficient QB. He has always been right on the edge of getting run out of the league and he was bailed out repeatedly by his defense and running games which is why that didn't happen. Early in his career it was ok to say he was young and showing flashes and needed time to develop. At this point it is just pitiful to make that type of statement given what we know about Sanchez ability and results. Ben Roethlisberger is a damn good QB who except for the year when he went over the handlebars of his bike has put up good results despite having a flawed offensive line for much of his career. Comparing him to Sanchesz is ludicrous. Again, this is a ludicrous series of statements. Sanchez *did* have the kind of talent around him that Roethlisberger and Flacco had and he managed a below average performance with all that support. Roethlisberger managed a highly efficient offense when he had all the supporting tools. Flacco not at the same level but well above Sanchez. Don't get brainwashed by the 2 year old into thinking that the things Sanchez did in 2009 and 2010 were actually good on balance. He had a half dozen good games in those years and fortuitously one of the really good ones was against the Patriots in the playoffs. That's why we see him as actually having been good in the first two years. In fact he was likely just a blind squirrel finding a nut at exactly the right time. And leading his team to 43 passing TD's and 461 points. You do understand that the Saints have had a 7th round pick as their leading WR forever now don't you? You understand that a UDFA named Lance Moore caught 85 balls for them last year? That their 3rd round TE has blossomed into a star? Don't you think playing with one of the best QB's ever to play the game has something to do with that?
This idea that Sanchez would be "so-and-so" if he had weapons is preposterous. If that is your wild speculation then fine, but don't present that in an argument like it has any merit to it beyond your own hope. You can't take facts like Eli and Flacco winning Super Bowls and put them on the same level as the fantasy of Sanchez winning one.
Sanchez has basicly been the same QB for 4 years. For whatever reason in his first 2 seasons here when he makes the playoffs he became a different QB. A much better QB and game manager which has clouded the view of some fans. Regular season Sanchez has been a freaking nightmare and not having the run game of 2009-2010 has made it much more apparent. I personally was never a fan of the pick and moving up to get him has made it that much more painful to watch him walk out onto the field on sundays. Im sure i am far from the only one who has been left with a horrid taste watching sanchez throw seasons away for us with mind numbing mistakes. Not saying Geno can do better for us then Sanchez has but im sure there is a good part of this fan base that just wants to see some one else screw it up for us. At least then we can feel like the front office/ coaching staff is at least trying to change this from happening for a 3rd straight season.
Sanchez became a better QB in the playoffs because he was generally asked to do less than the Jets asked him to do in the regular season. His "great" game against the Patriots was 194 yards passing on 25 attempts. His "win" over Peyton Manning was 189 yards on 31 attempts with an Interception and no TD's. The Jets did a wonderful job of hiding Mark Sanchez flaws in the two post-season runs but in both cases they eventually wound up in a game where a good half wasn't enough to get the job done and Sanchez never had more than that in him.
My comments were not based on stats but more so he was able to pull off some big plays in those games that would have seamed unimaginable compared to his big play abilities in regular season. I completely agree about the team hiding his lack of football smarts and supplementing his horrible play with a very solid running attack that honestly was what lead our offense to those two AFCC games backed up but a more then solid defense.
soxxx puts Sanchez on the same level as Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Flacco and Drew Brees and states the Jets are holding Sanchez back...and then tells everyone to "GET REAL". Now that's some "poor mismanagement" of logic.
He wasn't a better QB in the playoffs, we just happened to win the games. Let's look at the complete myth of Sanchez "leading us to victories". We won despite him. In all of the games he really only played well in the Bengals game, but he didn't really do anything to win that game. He was like 12 for 15 with 180 yards, but Braylon dropped that long touchdown. He was a good game manager in that game but the others? Against the Chargers Sanchez was HORRIBLE. I was at that game and he could not hit the broad side of a barn. He was hideously inaccurate. He made a nice play to Keller on the bootleg touchdown but Sanchez racked up all of a 100 yards on 12/23 with a pick. We won because the Chargers gift wrapped that game like no other, and allowed Greene to make that run (admittedly one of my top memories as a Jet fan). Chargers missed 3 field goals (really 2 the 58 yarder was really gonna happen), 2 interceptions and the Jets defense tired the Chargers. We were 6/16 on third down (typical Sanchez). Sanchez really tried to give the game back to SD but they didnt want it. We truly truly truly won that game despite Mark. He had nothing to do with that victory The following year: so he led us to victory against Indy? Seriously???? Lets see: Jets driving end of the half. misses wide open Keller, then wide open Holmes THEN in vintage Sanchez fashion, bounces around the pocket and throws a red zone interception. Fourth quarter Sanchez gets two chances to put away the game throws an uncatchable ball to Holmes, gets the ball back misses wide open Edwards. Indy scores then Cromartie returns it 60 yards. Sanchez completes two short passes against promote defense, Caldwell calls the worst time out ever, Sanchez throws a jump ball to Edwards which he somehow catches. We won that game because of defense and Cros return, and yes we won it despite Sanchez Next week at NE: He played decently but hardly "led" us to victory. The defense played out of their mind in that game. Remember after Harris interception Sanchez was inept on the drive running into his runner, then that lame screen to LT. Zero points. We were only 6/13 on third down and Sanchez threw for all of 194 yards, almost a third of that on the broken play to Cotchery. Mark did have that nice pass to Holmes for a touchdown, the nice reroute to Edwards. and we used the NE play against them to LT. But Cro saved us in this game as well scooping up the onsides kick and running 40 yards ,to set up Greenes run which put it away. Neither of those wins are because of Sanchez. They were team victories but to say Sanchez won them is just not truly remembering how he played. Sanchez did not lead us to any of our victories in the playoffs, it is a complete fabrication. He was the same JAG in the playoffs as he is in the regular season. His time needs to end.
this pos thread was so close to being off of the first page... i am thoroughly disappointed it ended up back on the top again. we have better things to talk about at this point.
You just gotta realize the argument has already been conceded. When you admit you grade Sanchez on a different scale than other QBs then everything else is just spin
It's just beyond sad that we're not seeing a smart, polished QB on top of his game out there 4+ years in. Mark Sanchez had a ton of potential at one point and whatever was there just never fully materialized. Maybe it was the beatings he took in 2011 and the lack of attention to detail on the offensive side by the FO and Rex. That still doesn't explain why the first two years were so hard though and why Sanchez wound up ranked so low in both of them. If we'd seen real growth at some point in his 3rd or 4th years we could have written off the first two as young player blues. Instead the last two years have solidified the impression that Sanchez just isn't that good a QB. Having last night's scrimmage look like the last 4 years in a microcosm for him was just another step down.
Tripping over his own feet, gift wrapped INT, missing wide open targets. Must be the play calling. Geno! Geno! Geno!
