@displacedfan I thought his 2010 season was solid. But these Sanchez supporters act like his 2010 season was equivalent to Brady's 2007 season.
We should of beaten Green Bay at home. 2 ghost interceptions. 4th QTR Holmes drops a TD pass. Same with the Miami game. Holmes drops a wide open TD. Remember what happened after losing to Baltimore? He went on a nice division run 3 TDs against the Pats and 3 more on the Bills. QBR is a flawed formula I don't buy it. I trust what I see on the field and does the QB contribute to the win. I was a big Sanchez fan up until the Broncos game where we got Tebowed. All down hill from there.
Fair enough. I think it depends on how highly you equate wins to QBs and how much importance you put on consistency in a QB. I think it does get overrated, but I think his 2011 season (The first part) actually was more beneficial than his 2010 self because we no longer needed a game manager but a QB who could score which he did for the most part in 2011.
to be fair, sanchez lost all command in the huddle 2 years ago and has never gotten it back. to the point that guys had to be cut from the team and holmes had his little meltdown. that was all because mark sanchez could not only not command the huddle he couldnt get guys to even have a modicum of respect for him. he HAD some mobility. the past 2 years not so much. pocket presence? he never really had even decent pocket presence but has COMPLETELY lost it, he regularly folds up in the pocket in the face of pressure and is unable to avoid it at all. i will add butt fumble, if thats not pocket presence i dont know what is. playmakers involved.... ill go back to holmes breakdown toward the end of hte season a few years ago. he was acting like a douche because his qb couldnt deliver the ball anywhere near where it needed to be... really at any point. i am not here to argue what blaine gabbert is or isnt but those things are definitely not strengths for sancho.
But they were poor QB games. Drops happen here and there. If we talk about WR drops we have to try and qualify DB drops and well that's a slippery slope. We should have beaten those games if our offense didn't go ice cold. I agree QBR is flawed but at least it's a QB stat where wins/losses isn't a QB stat. So much potential in 2011. That Miami game was brutal too at the end of the year. That was disappointing.
Obviously you haven't seen Gabbert play so your argument is voided. Holmes also called out Schottenheimer twice you didn't say that. He had good pocket presence at one point, he could in a sense manipulate the pocket and sense pressure but that's no longer there at this point prob cause of the hits he's suffered. The strengths I mentioned he easily trumps Gabbert and Robo Henne. Playmakers? Again see how Blackmon does with Henne vs Gabbert. You can't leave out details like Holmes calling out Schottenheimer after the AFCCG. Those are essential points
him calling out schotty has nothing to do with mark not having command of his huddle. i really havent watched gabbert, that doesnt void the fact that i disagree with your statements about mark sanchez having a presence in the huddle, mobility, pocket presence and sanchez who seems to piss his assets off more than he gets them involved. i do appreciate the fact i can have a conversation with someone on this topic that doesnt agree with me. its a nice thing to have in a thread.
Holmes meltdown was because of Schottenheimer. Mark is loyal so he wanted to stay with the game plan. That's my opinion on that issue. Despite him sucking last year there were games where he can complete control of the huddle. Jets can't wait on Sanchez forever so I'm fine with the Geno Smith pick in the 2nd round I have my issues with Mark just like everyone else I just view it differently and there are factors that play a role IMO
schotty was possibly a part of that but i think that marks completely terrible play and passes that were just never on the mark and him not even looking at guys was the real issue. but i can respect your thoughts on it, really neither one of us knows for sure so i can accept that. i agree there are factors that play a role, i just cant stand when people use factors as excuses for him not performing. i honestly dont think you do that and seem to be pretty fair on the subject. some of us are far on one side, others far to the other side. i see you as a pretty middle of the road guy on the subject. NOW i think the geno smith drafting was brilliant. he doesnt cost shit and we get to see if he can be a real nfl qb without having any strings tied to him that mean we HAVE to keep him around for 4 years. or that we can have an opportunity for what we see as a better qb next year and not have to pass on it because we have too much money tied up at qb.
Actually there are FOUR major areas where Sanchez excels. 1. Gayness. 2. INTs 3. Fumble (Ass Fumble[TM]) 4. Unwarranted paycheck
You might be on to something. If Idzik only brought in QBs who were never going to challenge Sanchez for the starting job, then maybe Idzik's plan is to let captain Rex go down with the ship. There would be no better way to get rid of a coach that was forced on you than to give Sanchez the starting job again without him having to earn it in a fair competition. I can't imagine any other reason why a competent GM would not want to bring in competition for a guy who has had 52 turnovers and was a huge reason why this team has missed the playoffs the last 2 seasons.
No, I think...Idzik sees where the cracks in the foundation are. I think, that they think MM is the answer to the woes. Matt Flynn and Alex Smith were being shopped, no? Lets face it...if it was obvious that garrard was not going to see the light of day, based on recent history...and geno sliding to 39....was a gift...( no one here saw it)... There was never any real competition for Sanchez. Garrard ended last season, getting hurt in his swimming pool fcol. Im glad we were able to draft Geno, but thats a whole different animal.
Ladanian Tomlinson: Ladanian Tomlinson says here Mark Sanchez blows, and they need better QB play. Curtis Martin: This is a nice way of saying Mark Sanchez sucks. Steve Smith: This is when you forget you're on record. None of these people know anything about football, he was punting!
curtis martin is not a guy i am really looking to for football analysis. steve smith deserves a high 5 for that one as it was hilarious... although out of nowhere. however the scary one and this kind of helps my point earlier is the fact that lt said that guys were starting not to trust him... that is HUGE and something it really takes alot to overcome. and correct me if im wrong that was from 2 years ago, and things havent gotten better.
Ill give my best Hobbes answer- "Whatever. You are really going to believe that shit from the media? Look at Sanchez's redzone efficiency in 2011. We have to throw 2012 out the window, it doesnt matter because of Sparano and injuries. Stop believing the media"
Amith knows less than nothing. If he knew that he knows nothing, that would be something. Martin, is right, no argument there..but he not a TV regular. LT.Ii would put in the middle. "talking to guys in the Jets locker room" is Manish Mehta speak. ESPECIALLY, since ypur number one wideout, Holmes, and Center, have publicly backed Sanchez. Honestly, the only opinion worth a damn there is Martin. Considering LT and Holmes played together and at least Holmes had the stones to call Schotty out,...p.s..LT says, "starting" to not trust Sanchez...,"Starting"????curious turn of the phrase.
You know Im right, thats the sad part. At this point, all you are doing is making excuses. And whats the moves made by Idzik? Cutting Garrard? You are really going to try and use the cutting of a 35 year old QB with one knee to try and bolster your weak argument? Cmon now.
SayingSanchez needs to p,ay better, is about as insightful as saying night follows day. No one disputes that. Martin, and LT did not say what Smith said, no matter how desperatley you twist it. Bottom line. Opening Day. 6 under center. So, lets start a new thread, saying...Geno just isnt good enough to unseat Sanchez.
Smith is a 13 year NFL WR. He knows a lot about the technical aspects of Quarterbacking with his position (and job) depending solely on QB production. No idea why you dismiss his take, he has more credibility than you or me.
What excuses? Cutting???? No, how about sIgning a paraplegic? Ive said since the day they inked him.His injury history dictated Sanchez was the starter. I was right, and you just cant deal with it. Dont be a weasel. I said, you couldnt cut Sanchez, because if Smith stsrts and gets hurt, Garrard wouldnt last two games.the guy couldnt make it to training camp, so I was wrong, only insofar as i gave him too much credit. Then there is Not drafting an available QB without having one fall into your lap. Yeah.,,excuses. Buy a dictionary.
