The man that continually says stats don't matter and use your eyes, uses a team stat from one game in a 200+ game career to try and make a point about a QB. :breakdance: You hold no other QB to this standard (picking one game to define their whole career), you must think Peyton is the best QB of all time which is ridiculous in itself. Nobody else gets held to the standard you are holding Peyton too.
Peyton has played some abysmal playoff games and a bad Superbowl. (The Baltimore game is not on Peyton just as the NE game this year was not on Mark). Brady has struggled in his last two Superbowl's also they are both better than Mark. Football is the ultimate team game teams win games not QB's. The ignorant people on this board that say Marks has everything to do with this team losing and nothing with the m winning are just idiots. (No other to put it) Mark played well enough in the playoffs to help the Jets win four games and played well enough to win a fifth. Guess what so did a bunch of other players. Last year the the offense was pathetic Mark played like crap for a lot of games as did the entire defense. Guess what our run defense and SP were not exactly stellar. Again, let me explain this for those of you who think MS is on the hot seat because he can't read defenses or he has made a couple errant throws do not know the game. Mark is on the hot seat for one reason only and that is turnovers. If Mark puts up the same stats but has respectable turnover numbers he is not on the hot seat. Everyone knows that Marks receiving core was the worst in the NFL last season so he gets a pass. What he does not get pass on are his forced throws and and really his biggest concern the fumbles. Mark fixes the fumble he is an average QB without getting better any where else. He fixes his Brett Favre like mistakes he is a very good Qb taking us to the playoffs. The reason the coaching staff has not get given up on Mark is that he makes throws that make you say wow. He makes throws Garrard and others dream about. That is not enough he need to be more consistent and stop the turnovers. He was thrown into a bad situation the last two years. 2011 he was almost killed and mediocre weapons. Last season the o-line was a bit better but the receiving core was hideous. No more excuses for mental mistakes he has training camp and probably a couple reg season games next year to prove himself. If he does not he will be gone and unless the Jets get lucky with a QB in the draft we will be starting over again.
First off, I NEVER say stats don't matter. I always say stats tell PART of the story, you can't just post a random stat w/o context or some silly ranking. Your excuse was about defenses Peyton faced. The Jets D was middle of the pack and he got shut out, a week later they allowed 30 pts to Oakland. he has also been shut down by a legendary postseason choking D(I like to call them the Peyton manning of defenses) in the 2000 Miami Dolphins. He's been shut down by SD, NO,... Let's look at the D's he has faced and what they did in postseason: 1999 Ten: Peyton led O 16 pts(7 in garbage time by the way) Ten allowed 17.7 the other 3 playoff games 2000 Mia: Indy scored 17 Mia allowed 20 in their other playoff game 2002 NYJ: Indy scored ZERO NYJ allowed 30 in their other playoff game 2003 NE: Indy scored 14 NE allowed 21.5 PPG in other 2 playoff games 2004 NE: Indy scored 3 NE allowed 24 PPG in other 2 playoff games 2005 Pitt: Indy scored 18 Pitt allowed 14.7 PPG(for the first time they scored more than their opponent would allow!) 2007 SD: Indy scored 24(first time scoring more than 20 in a playoff loss) SD allowed 13.5 PPG(2nd time) 2008 SD: Indy sxored 17 SD allowed 28 pts 2009 NO: Indy scored 17 NO allowed 21 PPG in other 2 playoff games 2010 NYJ: Indy scored 16 NYJ allowed 19 PPg in other 2 playoff games 2012 Bal: Den scored 21 Bal allowed 17.7 only 3 times in 11 playoff loss years has the D they faced allowed less points in games against other teams(that means 8 times they scored more more). I hold Peyton to the standard of an all time great, he is an all time great reg season QB but a medicore postseason QB.
The Marty Scottenheimer of QBs. He will get you 10 or more wins...but don't expect anything in the post season.
hate hate hate peyton manning.. love love love mark sanchez... i am pretty sure those contrasting thoughts tell the entire story about the absurdity that is junc. its so nice to only see his posts when he is quoted.
Reading comprehension is not your friend. and the only person that loses w/ your gutless blocking is yourself b/c you don't get a chance to learn so you will still post the same nonsense over and over again.
Good news: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/11/mornhinweg-sanchez-has-leg-up-on-qb-competition/
There are reports out there that the Cowboys are seeking to either restructure Kyle Orton's contract, or outright cut him. The Jets should jump on this. Orton is the perfect hold the fort guy for the Jets right now. Even if sanchez is gone, the Jets can't count on having a newbie Qb start the 14 season, so having Orton available for both 13 and 14 is really about as good as the Jets can reasonably do with the options available. Assuming Orton is available, of course.
Funny that. A guy that's actually a coordinator...echoes what we've been saying. Maybe Florham Park should fire Mohrinweg and hire one of the h8ers....
Dont you feel special!!! Im pretty sure many people here knew that Mark would have an edge in the competition simply because of salary, its whether or not they agree with that. I can admit that Sanchez will most likely be the starting QB, mostly because of salary and the lack of options... It doesnt mean that I think he'll succeed or that I want him starting though. Only time will tell if Sanchez cant turn around his career, but until then Im sure you can find a way to use things like this to feed your ego.
No, but the people that are in absolute denial, could at least wake up. No one not me, not Junc, or anyone else...has anointed Nacho as the second coming....but what has been pointed out repeatedly is that he has played at a high level, but his plague has been doing it consistently. Which puts MM in the same vein, as Simms, Esiason, et al.... I know that having someone in a position to actually say it with some authority as opposed to Junc and I chaps your ass, but you don't need to be abrasive about it. And of course you jumped on the leg up comment, I guess you either didn't have the stamina to get to the quote that cuts thru your Sanchez sux position, or chose to not respond to it, thinking no one else would read it and make your argument seem...almost.....valid.
Don't confuse BigBlocker with ....you know....facts....it gets in the way of his making a great 4 paragraph argument.... Was it over when the Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? :rofl2:
This is a really unfortunate comment by Mornhinweg. It doesn't do anything to advance the status quo and it suggests that the Jets haven't learned a lot from what they've seen out of Sanchez since December 2011. I doubt that Sanchez actually does have a leg up at this point given what has transpired and having the OC make the comment just muddies the waters more than they currently are. I wish I saw a real option to use Sanchez at this point. I like him and I thought he was a lot better than he turned out to be. The problem is that he's been useless by the end of the season the last two seasons and has been a major factor in the Jets playing so badly in December both years. Trying to rehabilitate him at this point is a low percentage option. It's one of the paths that leads to a truly miserable 2013 season with a really angry fan base turning off in the process. That's not strictly speaking a fair point of view but it is what it is. You can't ignore the progressively worse collapses at the end of the last two seasons for Sanchez. You can't ignore the fact that his play has markedly deteriorated in response to the Jets talent levels declining. You can't ignore the fact that he has not been mentally up to the task of playing QB in the hostile NY media market. I'd be really happy if you could, but you can't. Could Richard Todd II happen and Sanchez resurface for a season or two? Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of.
Part of me doesn't like the comment but the other part realizes he has to rebuild mark's confidence and by saying that it shows that he has to earnt the job but the OC has some confidence in him. We'll see what happens.
If he starts, he better have a short ass leash. One turnover, he's benched for the game. He does it again next game, he's done for the season. I have little patience for that clown.
I really have to laugh when I read comments by JUNC, HOBBES and now MM, making statements to the effect of ... "Mark has played at a high level. We need to get him to do it on a consistent basis". No shit. That's the definition of being a viable starting QB in the NFL. Performing at a high level week in and week out. Exactly what we haven't gotten from Sanchez for any period of time in the last four years. ANYONE can have a good game every once in a blue moon. In year one or year two, those small glimpses are called "promise" or "potential". The problem is, after four years of starting every week, if those glimpses haven't become anything more than just that - glimpses ... than what they are is nothing more than a tease. The guy can't play. If he could, we wouldn't be sitting here going into year 5 hoping that he can be something more than the worst QB in the fucking league. Mark Sanchez = Oliver Perez. Different sport. Same player.
