As good as Mark Sanchez's potential. What we saw from Sanchez last year, he's right there with all these QBs we are being linked to in rumors. If you throw INTs on 4% of your throws and then toss in 9 more fumbles, being better than that doesn't take much. Sanchez from last year is on par with a Cassell, Quinn, Moore, etc. Sanchez is younger than most of these kids so more hope for improvement, but right now his last season puts him with all these other QBs.
True, anyone can be as good as he was last year(or as bad) but you aren't winning anything w/ Cassell. We know we can win big w/ Mark.
Yes but as you said older we want better than Sanchez not a JAG. These guys are good if MS sucks really bad one of these guys could steer the ship but none of them will be significantly better.
Alex Smith was ion San Fran for 6 years, before they won. Simms was in Ny for 8. Successful teams build. They don't tear down repeatedly. Give Mohrinwheg a chance.
True but you can also name QB's that teams probably kept for too long based on money owed and where they were drafted in spite of the fact they would've been better off moving forward sooner.
He had ZERO help last season. And a carousel of WR since he got here. Cut the guy a little slack or get the fuck off the bus. You can bring in 25 other current QB's and get the same result with the 2012 squad. /rant
Who knows what you can and can't win. The team now is much different than what we had when Sanchez was helping us win. It's not bad to have competition because Sanchez needs to be pushed which is what a Moore/Cassell/Quinn can do. His job has never been in question before. That's all we are getting for now. We are only getting a palceholder until we draft a new QB. It's really rare you get your future QB from FA so we need a placeholder until we draft that kid. If Sanchez turns into that QB, great, but I like the Jets not just sitting and hoping Sanchez gets it. Successful teams don't have to tear down because they are one step ahead of their problems. Once you start playing catchup like we have, you end up having to tear down (new OC, new DC, potentially new QB, new LB, new S, new RB, and potentially new TE). If we were one step ahead addressing our OL, WR, S, or even LB instead of letting them become glaring problems the last two years, we would be in a better situation to just build.
Sanchez always was, and always will be, utter dog shit. If we are unfortunate enough to ever see him take another snap as a Jet, he will play his typical dog shit style of football. The people crying about how he "led" the team to an AFC championship loss will be recycling the same old tired excuses next year at this time when he plays in exactly the same dog shit manner. Sanchez could fumble 10 times a game and throw an int every time he touched the ball, and to truly delusional people like NY Junc it would be because the ball was too wet, or the receivers were running the routes poorly. Wake up man and let a little reality seep in.
What potential? He has has all the downsides of the worst QBS that turn over the ball without the upside. He cannot throw the ball down the field. He can only throw in non passing situations with a clear pocket. He has no pocket presence, has no football instincts, is soft and afraid to take a hit. Terrel Suggs was right when at the start of the 2012 season he said Sanchez was soft, gives up on plays and is afraid to take a hit. He has been criticized for having a weak arm and cannot throw the ball outside the harshmarks. While I don;t thinkt he weak arm is 100% accurate the way he throws off his back foot has the same effect. He has been the worst QB in football for 4 years now. He has no potential. He is Rex Grossman in terms of turnovers without the upside of being able to throw the ball down the field. Take all of the worst qualities of all QBs in football and throw them together in one package and that is Mark Sanchez. Weak arm, unable to read defenses, easily confused, gives up on plays, runs around the pocket with his head down and eyes closed, afraid to take a hit, poor pocket presence, panics under pressure, inaccurate and no leadership skills. What is the upside? What is his potential? He might be able to grow into a game manager but with very high turnovers. But that means going back to 2009-2010 and not exposing Sanchez to possible turnovers. Not letting him throw on 3rd and long or in passing situations. Hiding his pocket weaknesses with quick 3 step drops and quick reads. Essentially doing everything we can to not let him lose the game for us. Basically playing with 10 man on offense.
Potential as in his best flashes are more recent than Quinn's or Garrard's or Cassel's. He's also one of the younger ones FWIW. He's been here 4 years, we saw a decent to good 1.5 years out of him. The Jets have been able to build around him before. He has the highest ceiling of the available QBs. If you want to discuss the chance of hitting their ceiling, Sanchez is probably one of the lowest right now, but two different topics.
What is this potential? What exactly does he do well? He has never been able to throw the ball unless its a non passing situation and has had a clean pocket. He has no pocket awareness, no accuracy, cannot read defenses, has a weak arm and can't throw outside the harshmarks, is soft, gives up on plays, panics under pressure, is afraid to take a hit and has no leadership skills. What exactly does he do well again? in 2009-2010 he was protected like no QB has ever been protected. He was not allowed to throw in passing situations, was not allowed to throw on 3rd down, had an amazing run offense, and only threw the ball when it was a surprise to the defense and he was still terrible. Give those conditions to any NFL QB and they will put up eye popping numbers not Sanchez numbers. Want to see how bad Sanchez played re-watch the Colt playoff win. Sanchez was so bad the Jets had to take the ball out of his hands after the 1st half to win the game. It was arguably one of the worst games a QB has ever had played in the playoffs. But again what is this potential? What exactly does he do well? Arm strength? No. Accuracy? No. Leadership? No. Toughness? No? Reading defenses? No. Can he avoid Sacks? No. Poise under Pressure? No. Can he vary speeds and put touch on a pass? No. Pocket Presence? No. Avoid Turnovers? No. Maybe I should rephrase and ask what does Sanchez even do at a average level. None of the above. Maybe Arm strength might the only attribute he has that is close to average. He simply is a package of all the worst QB traits in football thrown into one body? When people speak of Mark Sanchez's potential it must be potential in some other line of work than football.
Probably, but the guy has never had an OC that approaches average. Now you do. That's how teams are built.
I don't disagree. Schotty should have been fired the day Sanchez was drafted, but then we became the victims of early success. Look at Baltimore....they dumped Cameron mid stream. But...unless you make the argument that the two previous offensive staffs were capable, than in order to protect the franchises investment in Sanchez, and not waste a six and a five a couple years apart...you see what MM can do first. That's the prudent move.
It's not the prudent move at this point. Not replacing Sanchez after the collapse late in 2011 despite 3 years that suggested he was a below average QB was the prudent move. We're past that. Sanchez looks more like the guy who collapsed down the stretch in 2011 than the guy who kept it together in 2010. It's a sad thing because it means the Jets really are rebuilding but the move up to take Sanchez in 2009 failed under the weight of a lot of bad planning and questionable moves around it. At a certain point you just have to move on and accept the fact that keeping a guy with a 20% upside chance around isn't the prudent move, particularly when you have a fan base and locker room that are pretty disgusted with him at this point.
So, then. One of this is on Schotty or Sparano? Go watch weeks 1 and 11 last season, when they asked him to do what he does well.
go watch weeks 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17 to see him do what he does well which is shit the bed.
I will tell you the same thing I said in the post game thread here after the Buffalo game. Mark Sanchez has proven time and time again that if the opposing defense does not put a defender within 5-10 yards of his receivers and leaves him a clean pocket even he can can complete some of his passes. He still made a number of mistakes missing 3 wide open receivers for easy TDs that day and almost blew at least one of his other easy tds under throwing Hill on what should have been an easy TD. Like I said in the post game thread when many of the Sanchez lunatics were celebrating his coming HoF induction I said do not crown him until he actually plays a game against a defense that actually shows up. Put some actual pressure on Sanchez and he folds up and quits. He simply is not tough enough to play tackle football. He is a touch football player who looks good in shorts but cannot play in pads. But this still does not answer my question. What exactly does Sanchez do well or even average? I think the answer is nothing. He simply is a package of all the worst QB traits in football thrown into one body. Weak arm, unable to read defenses, easily confused, gives up on plays, runs around the pocket with his head down and eyes closed, afraid to take a hit, poor pocket presence, panics under pressure, lacks toughness, inaccurate and no leadership skills. There is no upside. There is nothing this kid does well. He is a turnover machine with no redeeming qualities. Even if he stopped turning the ball over at such an alarming rate he would still be terrible because he is lacking in every other area.
It doesn't matter at this point. He's not likely to get it done with the Jets. If he was a slightly below average QB then you can make the argument that great coaching might make him good. Instead he's been one of the worst QB's in the NFL over the last 4 years and he's been terrible for about the last season and a half.
Let me put it this way. It would defy belief to think Idziks first order of business, was not to watch every minute of film, and read every report on Nacho, as soon as his ass hit the chair, given all considerations. What are the Jets doing? Pursuing a replacement? Nope. Bringing in 2 JAG Fas, and the other three QBs on the Roster not named Tebow to go to camp. Idzik came from Seattle. No move on Matt. No p,ay for Alex... It's likely to be Garrard, and prob Quinn. Nether of which will beat out Nacho, but will push him more than coddle him like Brunell did. The FO, Has apparently sided with the HC on this one. The real competition will not be for Nacchos spot, but McElroys. My guess is GMac goes, Garrard stays, bc he fits what MM likes to do. And....to go just one step further down that path, no way that decision was made without Martys insight.
