He was never a better QB. Actually he has improved. The difference was in years 1 and 2 he was never allowed to throw in passing situations. He was likely the most protected QB in the history of the game. He only threw in situations where defenses did not expect him to pass. On 3rd and long we ran the ball. When he did pass on 3rd down it was a surprise to the defense and it was a designed quick pass. In the 2 minute offense almost all his passes were dump off passes. 4-5 yards in the air to wide open receivers. Even as protected as he was in those years he was awful, made far to many mistakes and was amazingly inaccurate. If he played on any other team than the Jets in 2009 and 2010 he would have been exposed and been quickly moved to the bench. What is amazing is we still found a way to win despite of Sanchez in 2009 and 2010. Sanchez has actually shown some signs of improvement this year over the last 3 years. In a few games particularly Monday, the Texans game, the 1st Phins game he has stepped up in the pocket and extended plays. In a few of those games he showed some actual toughness and stood in the pocket and took some hits while throwing the ball. Something he almost never did in the past. He has shown some spurts of actual focus this year especially early getting rid of the ball faster. Early in the year he showed better footwork stepping into passes which improved his velocity and accuracy. The problem is when things go bad for Sanchez all those improvements go away. He panics, ducks his head, shuffles in the pocket, runs blindly and makes bad decisions. This was the case in 2009 and 2010 and its still the case now. The difference was in 2009 and 2010 his exposure to making stupid mistakes was limited by very protective playcalling. The bad play, the panicking, the mistakes were there in 2010 and many of us called it out and said he would be lucky to be in the league in 2 years. He really is very lucky to still have a job. Watch the tape of the Jets win against the Colts in the playoffs. One could argue that was the worst game a QB has ever played in a playoff game. Maybe not statistically but almost every pass was off by 5 yards. Watcch him panic before the end of the 1st half and melt down where he cannot even complete simple easy passes. Arguably he is the worst QB to play in this league in over 20 years. He does nothing well and makes the mistakes of the worst of the mistake prone QBs. Hiding Sanchez's limitations and winning with him as QB in 2009-2010 has to rank as one of the best coaching this league has ever seen.
Here's the deal though, the majority of those QB's had some potential and the Jets just could not bring it out. The Jets didn't get their money's worth out of any of those guys. Why? I think with the exception of Ken O'Brien and Chad Pennington the Jets have always put guys on the field before they were ready. Not surprisingly O'Brien and Chad are probably the two most successful multi-year QB's the Jets have had since Namath. They both sat for a season plus and were groomed to take over the job. Both of them were done in eventually by injuries and the accumulation of wear and tear as good offensive lines degraded around them. I think the media/fan interaction has contributed greatly to the tendency to throw guys out there before they were ready to contribute. A new young QB for the Jets is too big a story to keep under wraps for long on the sidelines. The organization usually winds up throwing the guy out early for his media value and then things go wrong. I also think the Jets have done a bad job over the years of putting assets around the QB to make them successful. By this I don't mean having assets in place, I mean giving the guy a close group of peers taken right around him that he can lead well and that can grow with him. Not excusing Sanchez for sucking but when he looked around the huddle for the last time on Monday night he only saw three guys who were there with him at the start in 2009: Mangold, D'Brick and Moore. One other significant player on offense who played regularly for the Jets this season but was not there on that last play was Shonn Greene.
I think Chad could've been an all time great. It was straight downhill when Strahan hit him and he broke his wrist. He had an above average arm... then 4 surgeries happened.
I don't know if I agree with that at all. The Jets absolutely are terrible at PICKING QBs - and of course developing them as well. But how many of those guys really did have potential? A couple of them went on to be backups for a year or two before disappearing - the only ones who were any good were guys we got late in their careers. Which ones do you feel were ruined so badly by the Jets that no one could fix them?
Yeah...lol Looks like the guy was making sure he was ok and he just kicked him. But maybe he was telling him how much he sucks.
i actually liked it. first damn time i've seen him show some emotion. He is a blank wall. his press conference really pissed me off
Richard Todd would probably have been a much better QB with a full year on the bench. He got thrown into the fire on a very bad team his rookie year after Joe Namath had failed to get things going and he was even worse than Namath that year. 1977 was a bit better but the fans had the horrid results in 1976 alongside the poor results in 1977 and people were already calling for Matt Robinson by 1978. Todd was a Sanchez-esque basket case by the end of 1978, shoving Steve Serby into a locker because he couldn't get any space from the criticism that was hitting him from all sides. He had a couple of good seasons after that but he was cooked by the early abuse he took from the fans and media and nobody really trusted him even when he was going good and the Jets were winning. Ken O'Brien would have been better in a more controlled offense. The Jets were so vertical in the passing game with him and he took a huge number of hits the first few seasons waiting for deep routes to develop. Glenn Foley was a 7th round pick. Nothing to see there. Parcells thought he had something but he also brought Vinny in to be sure and that's who he wound up with on the field. 7th round picks just don't pan out in the NFL in the salary cap era. If there was some play there people would jump all over it because QB is such an expensive position that if you can find a good cheap one on his first contract you are way ahead of the game. You just can't find that guy except on a random lottery chance and no team can afford to play the lottery looking for a QB. Chad Pennington would have been better if he could have stayed healthy, and having the offensive line develop a new hole every season like clockwork after 2002 didn't help him at all in that regard. Kellen Clemens was what he was, a backup QB. Sanchez would have been better if he sat for a year or maybe even two and got a chance to learn the NFL game before he was thrust into the spotlight. Once teams got film on him his raw ability was not enough to maintain acceptable performance and he didn't have the time to hone his skills at the NFL level before people were feasting on him. What he's accomplished is actually quite remarkable. He'll leave the Jets with the same number of TD's as Int's despite having minimal college experience coming into the NFL and getting no chance at all to learn on the sideline the way most QB's even of this generation do. Knowing what we know now about Sanchez development and skills I'd have expected him to go out with about half the number of TD's as Int's and far fewer attempts before the Jets gave up on him. He lasted nearly 2,000 throws in the NFL. The guys the Jets have brought in as vets almost don't count. None of them except Vinny made any real impact on the Jets chances and Vinny only for a couple of years. Vets you bring in aren't going to mean much most of the time. They're there to create space for a young QB to develop. That's the real value in bringing in a vet in most cases.
exactly... in 2009 he threw just 364 passes. and the jets had the most rush attempts in the league on 3rd down. and inspite of only throwing 364 times, he still managed to throw 20 picks. he wasnt good that year. he was actually quite awful. but revisionist history seems to erase that entire regular season... one where he nearly cost us a playoff birth several times. he was never good. he was never even solid. he has been awful all 4 years. outside of 5 or 6 playoffs games, he has been terrible. and its great that he plays well in the playoffs, but when you are as bad as he is, you wont make the playoffs often. we missed the post season 2 years in a row now, and if not for the colts benching starters in 2009, we would have missed 3 of his 4 seasons.
the main reasons he didint see any farmiliar faces is because they were all cut, let go, or moved on from because the front office refused to believe sanchez was the problem and instead changed everything around him. he got a new OC, HB, OL. WR, TE and he sucked just as much wit the new cast as the old one.
This is all speculation. Are you suggesting that if Peyton Manning came out in '97 and we drafted him first overall that the Jets would have ruined him? Fact is, good QBs change an offense. You could see that the first year Peyton played. You saw that the first year Brady played. You can see it now in Luck and RGIII. It's not about throwing players into the fire too early.
exactly... and to expand on that, the league is now set up to protect QBs. this isnt 1985 where you really need to bring a qb along slowly because of how the league was played then when you could rough up recievers and crush the QB. now, you cant touch the qb. you cant touch the wideouts. colleges run pro offenses. its not nearly as difficult a transition now, which is why you see so many teams start rookies from the get go.
The final INT play made no sense whatsoever. Even if Sanchez had completed the pass (which was thrown up for grabs into triple coverage to a backup TE) for a TD, TENN would have gotten the ball back with 2:03 left, the 2-minute warning, and 3 timeouts. Sancho may understand everything in the classroom, but his football IQ on the field is 0.
I think Sanchez is done but Beningo and Roberts had an interesting conversation with Terry Bradshaw who went through very much the same thing early in his career. He had Steeler nation coming down on him and had to do some soul searching and eventually fixed many of his mistakes..making him a much better QB. Dont know if Sanchez has the mental makeup that Bradshaw had. Sanchez seems way too sensitive and laid back to fight for his job. Bradshaw says he turned into a mean guy and pretty much stopped caring what people thought and just played his ass off till he succeeded.
No comparison at all between Sanchez and Bradshaw for the most important reason: context. Bradshaw finally became a great QB because he had one of the best teams in history assembled around him. Saying Sanchez could be great if he was put in the middle of the 1974-75 Steelers is irrelevant. I totally agree that he could but who is going to put together one of the top 10 rosters in NFL history around him?
I think the 09 Jets were similar to Pitt in alot of ways. Good running game, great defense. Ball control offense. Sanchez made it work somehow. But his regression and the lack of talent around him now make the comparison hard to make..I agree. The thing about the kid is almost ALL of his mistakes can be prevented with a change in mental preparedness and attitude because it's almost ALL in his head. Problem is..Mark is so laissez faire it's scary.
Some fans need to calm down though. Death Threats?? http://tracking.si.com/2012/12/19/mark-sanchez-death-threats-twitter-benched-jets/?sct=uk_t2_a3
so you don't score a TD if it is there, and instead hope to score later, simply to avoid giving the opponent back the ball with too much time left? seems like Sanchez isn't the one with a low football IQ if that is what you are saying. teams run down the clock when they are in FG range and only need a FG. when you need a TD you take it when it is there. teams don't intentionally avoid scoring TD's just to run down the clock if they need a TD. just stupid.
