But in years past when Flacco had lesser WRs than Sanchez did at the time, he didn't make the mistakes we're seeing from Sanchez. We're not just talking about guys not getting separation, or dropping passes, or very obviously running wrong routes. We're also talking about Sanchez not being able to hit a man in stride, not having good pocket presence/feel for the rush, and demonstrating ball security that is the antithesis of what this team wants/needs from him. This is not to say that he hasn't had his moments and this is not to say that he is the only problem with this team. I know that there has been past success for this team with Sanchez, but it was just that; success for this team. If you want to credit Sanchez for 4 road playoff wins and 2 AFCCG appearances, you need to be fair & consistent and blame him last year's collapse and this year's disgusting performances. The team as a whole has regressed, but Sanchez has regressed far more (at a point in his career when he should be improving, no less) and very clearly is more so a part of the problem than the solution. Replacing Sanchez shouldn't be the #1 priority of this team, but it needs to be high on that list. The fact that his contract basically ensures he'll be here next year kind of postpones the point from which Mark can be moved out. The OL needs to be improved and the LBs need to be better; that can be addressed next season while Sanchez plays out this portion of his deal. After that, unless something drastically changes, he should be gone.
That's a terrible list. Except for 2011 , is there anybody on that list that other teams wish they would've drafted? Outside 2011, the only pick I can see other teams liking was Slauson because he's a solid OL depth player for peanuts (due to the round he was drafted).
I'm hoping to talk to junc a bit more about this, but the comparison to the Giants before their 2007 Super Bowl run & victory isn't one that, to my eyes, holds up. The Giants did have some lockerroom chaos that year and there was talk of Coughlin losing the support of the team. That obviously wasn't the case, however, as the Giants rallied around him. He also changed his coaching style a bit and established a "leadership council" of about 10 players or so that he spoke to frequently. This helped the team circle the wagons when they were left for dead & given no chance to win (which was basically the case throughout the entirety of the playoffs). The Giants had a punishing running game and an incredible passrush. The running game was the product of some young & talented backs (Jacobs, Ward, Bradshaw), & a very underrated OL. Remember, that same OL and those same running backs cranked out over 2,000 yards on the ground the following season; I don't see this Jets team doing that anytime soon. The Giants passrush was built over several seasons. Strahan was the mainstay, Osi was taken as a talented but raw passrusher in the 2nd round in 2003. Tuck was a 3rd rounder in 2005, and Kiwi was a 1st round pick. There was a lot of draft picks, time, and money invested in those players and they paid off HUGE. I think this Jets team is a season away from developing a respectable passrush, they probably need 2 years before they can put together a game-changing passrush (though Wilk is off to a great start and Coples could be something special). Finally, and this is big, is that Eli had already shown flashes of play at a level higher than Sanchez has demonstrated heretofore. Eli needed to cut down on the simple/foolish mistakes and play more consistent. He also benefitted from a focus on the fundamentals of passing as he was getting sloppy in his technique. Miraculously, he put all this together and went on a run for the ages. Sanchez has shown his ceiling, and it's lower than Eli's. That doesn't bode well considering that he would have more demanded of him than Eli if he was asked to take this current Jets team anywhere. The team absolutely needs to be improved, but Sanchez needs to play a hell of a lot better.
Yeah, that list is pretty bad. Kyle Wilson shouldn't be on it either, I don't think you take a corner in the 1st round while thinking that he can be nothing more than a nickel. I also think you can argue that Keller hasn't lived up to his draft status. He's good, but is he the kind of talent you trade back up in to the first round to get? I don't think it's a stretch to say that Sanchez is playing well beneath what the team had hoped for when they picked him.
Think Collinsworth purposely lied on air in an attempt to save Sanchez from a whole lot of ridicule. Instead of calling it honestly & leaving an entire nation of football fans laughing @ Sanchez, he gave credit a defensive player for making a great play. Up till now, there's a lot of people who still believe Collinsworth call on how it all broke down.
anyone who would listen to anything collinsworth would say should be ass fumbled themselves. that ass fumble play just keeps getting funnier. its amazing the force he hit moores ass with. he really almost got knocked out.
I'm not a fan, and thought bringing him to this team was almost as retarded as Sparano is using him (what a fucking joke that guy is), but at this point, why the hell not? If they're going to be a circus, may as well blow the top off...... rise my son :breakdance:
Two quick notes I would like to include in the, "Sanchez just sucks, he sucks, truly he really sucks though" thread. 1) Sanchez may be the worst ball faker in the NFL (this goes on coaching too) 2) In a game where Pass Interference can gain you 40+ yds easy. Sanchez never just takes a shot down field (this goes on coaching too) 3) 65 butt dive Thanks :up:
Watching guys like Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson, you can see how focus, poise and confidence can help a QB over simply raw talent. Sanchez looks like a QB who only played 1 year of college, had success, came rolling into the league with that success and all of a sudden once he hit a bad slump it has fucked with his psyche. All those red zone turnovers...I mean its a given 1 per game
I've never experienced a play that has the ability to make me giggle, over and over, for so long. I should be over it by now, but then someone posts a GIF of it in a thread, and I laugh again. How did he do it? Why is running so fast into his butt? Why did it make him drop the ball?
There is a huge difference between talent/coaching those 2 QBs play with and your QB. Those 2 QBs are surrounded with competent coaching, talent on the line, a running back, and decent receivers... Your QB has none of those. Morono sucks, the line sucks, your running backs suck, and most importantly the receivers suck. These problems are going to be masked by the fact your team is embarking on a stretch of awful teams the rest of the way...While you may win against inferior opponents, the lack of coaching and talent still remains... But the winning would mean that your coaching staff and GM remain, the very individuals who built the mediocre roster in the first place...Welcome to the Dolphins of the last decade...
This x 1000..... Harbaugh being a NFL QB, definitely gives him a better perspective on the position (aside from being a good coach to begin with). Alex Smith was hot garbage until he showed up, but he knows the ceiling was limited to a game manager role, while Colin may become the game-breaker role
A good example is Tannehill and Luck...Both have weak teams but their QB has elevated the team play. Sure Kapernick and Russell Wilson have strong teams, but these QBs have all become good players. In fact now that I think about it...Most recent QB's drafted in the early rounds are working out...Except ours and maybe Bradford.
Good post. Flacco is 6'6" and Sanchez is 6'2". If you assume they are the same quality QB, which I do, that 4" is a huge tiebreaker. Sanchez with a better view of the field and without the tips at the line is winning games that he can't win right now.
2012 Colts: 1 . Andrew Luck, 2. Coby Fleener (TE), 3. Dwayne Allen (TE), 3. T.Y. Hilton (WR), 5. Vick Ballard (RB), 6. LaVon Brazil (WR), 7. Justin Anderson (G). Redskins: 1. RGIII, 3. Josh Leribeus (G), 5. Adam Gettis (G), 6. Alfred Morris (RB), 6. Tom Compton (T). Dolphins: 1. Ryan Tannehill, 2. Jonathan Martin (T), 3. Michael Egnew (TE), 4. Lamar Miller (RB), 6. B.J. Cunningham (WR), 7. Richard Matthews (WR). 2010 Rams: 1. Sam Bradford, 2. Roger Saffold (T), 4. Mardy Gilyard (WR), 5. Michael Hoomanawanui (TE), 6. Fendi Onobum (TE). 2009 Jets: 1. Mark Sanchez, 3. Shonn Greene (RB), 6. Matt Slauson (G). There's just a huge difference between knowing that you must go overboard to give your QB the tools to succeed early and throwing a couple of picks that way in the same draft. Why is having a 4 year college starting QB a good thing? Because the boy led older men successfully when he was 19. Walked into a locker room full of people who had been there for 3 or 4 years and led them. Why is giving him a lot of picks around him in the same draft, especially in the skill positions, important? Because the young man will have several people at the same stage of their careers to work with and he'll be better able to lead them and grow with them. The NFL is not fantasy football. We just need a management team that understands that.
I just want to point out that Mark really is a good guy. Here he is handing out holiday meals in the Rockaways. He ain't going anywhere with his contract deal. Mark needs the support of Jets fans. Now, it's true that he dropped the turkey and mashed potatoes on the ground and it was picked-up and returned for a defense TD. But his intentions were good.
When has Flacco ever had a WR core as weak as ours this year? Flacco's had a solid guy in Mason to start his career (2008-2010), in 2010 they added Boldin and Houshmandzadeh. In 2011, they dropped Mason and Housh and added Torrey Smith. Boldin + Smith is a solid combo. Not one year has he had to work with a WR core as depleted and injured as ours this year. He's always had a go to guy. What's Sanchez's best year for turnovers? Easily 2010. What year did we have our best WR core in recent times? 2010. It's not a coincidence. Give Sanchez some solid weapons and let him grow with them instead of giving us this revolving door of WRs every year while spending all the big money on defense.
You miss the Harbaugh element in Kaepernick. I can't believe it's a coicidence that Harbaugh shows up and all of sudden Alex Smith is an NFL caliber QB and look so is Kaepernick. Old article, but a MUST read: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7218353/quarterbacking-made-simple Great post. We never fully invested in Sanchez, and when we did we didn't stick to it.
Flacco hasn't had a WR group as bad as Sanchez does this year. The sad thing is that even if you throw out this year's stats, Flacco is still significantly better. Using the year and stat you picked, Sanchez had 13 INTs in 2010. That's the lowest of his career for any one season. Flacco's HIGHEST amount of INTs thrown at any point in his career is 12. Yeah, Flacco has done that three times, but I don't think Sanchez ends up looking any better if you bring in his turnovers from other seasons. IF you want to go by completion percentage (which is another key stat for a QB that runs a ball-control offense on a primarily defensive team) you see that Sanchez's highest for any year (coming in 2011) is .9% less than Flacco's LOWEST for any point in his career. Now I agree with you that Sanchez would play better with better talent around him, but that's hardly a revelation. Most QBs will play better with better WRs. I'm not talking about numbers of TDs or YPC (two other areas where Flacco has better numbers), I'm talking about not making mental mistakes and committing turnovers. I'm talking about being able to get the ball to an open man and not misfiring. To get Sanchez to play at the level that is needed to consistently compete in today's pass-happy NFL he's going to need more help at WR than most & the payoff for the investment of draft picks & money spent on those WRs isn't going to justify the expense. I'm not arguing that Sanchez can't produce if you give him talent to throw to, I'm arguing that the mistakes in his game make him undesirable as a starting QB for your team.
