Sure they do at times. Guys like dilfer, grossman, b. Johnson have played in Super Bowls. Heck Shaun king was very close to making a Super Bowl. Jake Plummer, Neil o'donnell, Alex smith, have played in sb or conf. Finals.. None are very good, and you know what they all have in common, the team they played for wanted to replace them. Enough with bragging about losing back to back conf. Finals
Dilfer and Brad Johnson were good QBs, Dilfer took 2 teams to the playoffs(almost 3), Johnson took 3. Shaun King had one run, Grossman needed 2 wins at home in a weak NFC to get to a SB, O'Donnell only had success in Pitt,... Very different than Sanchez, much more like Johnson & Dilfer than the others which isn't a bad thing.
I don't recall Richard Todd being ridiculed nearly as much as Sanchez is going through. Nor do I recall any ass fumbles which is going to be a huge part of Sanchez's legacy in NY. I very well may be wrong but seeing Sanchez's fragile pshyche leads me to that conclusion.
Sanchez has been under the microscope since day 1 and has had some bad moments he's bounced back from, he's anything but fragile. I know they weren't great fantasy QBs so maybe most folks won't remember but they were quaklity QBs, QBs that you could win w/ and that's more important than garbage time #s.
You'll say anything to defend Sanchez. He mopes and pouts when things go bad. They won't bench him for a game or two because it would probably dissolve any hope they have left in him. Johnson and Dilfer were ok. Nothing special by any means in an era where having solid QB play was not nearly as critical as it is today.
sometimes he pouts when things go bad but he's also bounced back from some clunkers. Today Eli Manning wins 2 SBs, in the era those toher 2 won we saw nothing but great QBs win so how can you say QB play didn't mean as much then as it does now?
Dilfer was blah but brad Johnson was an underrated qb. He had multiple years that Sanchez hasn't come close too. He made pro bowls on two different teams and put up some really good numbers a number of years. He was just one of those qbs that teams always looked to upgrade from.
This is a pointless debate because if you can't recognize the differences that favors the offense and in particular QBs and WRs today over 10 years ago, then it appears to be obvious you can't have an unbiased discussion. There is currently no QB in the NFL that is better late game then Eli Manning. Not Brady, not his brother, no one.
True but he disn't win a Super Bowl until the latter stages of his career on a very good and well balanced team.
ok but he's also so inconsistent(despite elite weapons) that he squeaks into the playoffs and needs to lead so many comebacks. He's not an elite QB and he has 2 SB wins and he was an average guy in 2007. 1992-2002: outside of Dilfer and Johnson all future HOfers won SBs Aikman 3x Young Favre Elway 2x Warner Brady Dilfer helped TB and Bal reach playoffs as a starter and was a game away from doing it in Seattle as well. Johnson helped Minnesota, Washington & TB reach the playoffs. Were they great? of course not but they were quality starting QBs.
I wouldn't describe Eli's weapons as "elite." He has benefited greatly from a solid defense and running game. Eli is inconsistent but his late game heroics and 2 Super Bowl MVPs puts him in elite company. I don't necessarily agree with it but it is what it is.
solid D???? Those D's carried NYG to 2 SB titles, they held the great Pats Os to 14 and 17 pts. he didn't deserve either MVP, he got it b/c his last name is Manning and he's a QB. Cruz and Nicks may be the best duo in the game, he's had excellent RB tandems, in '07 he had Plax in his prime, the underrated Toomer and an excellent RB duo.
Did you watch the same Super Bowl I did last year? Manning threw that ball where he wanted to, I'd say he deserved the MVP.
He led the winning drive twice. That is why he was the MVP. Cruz and Nicks are not close to Jones and White or Jennings, Nelson and the youngster (can't think of his name at the moment). Not even close
he led his O to 19 pts, the Giants D scored in the game and held the great Pats O to 17 pts. Justin Tuck deserved the MVP. Cruz/Nicks are as good as any duo in the league. A big reason why they have struggled is b/c Nicks has been hobbled.
I thought this thread was about sanchez sucking. How did it become eli manning and trent dilfer thread?
I don't even know what you guys are arguing about. It's like arguing if Eli is a top 5 qb or a top 8 qb. Does it matter? He's a real good qb who's won a couple of Super Bowls and is far superior to Sanchez.
I don't think anyone is putting all the blame on Sanchez for The Thanksgiving Massacre. Everyone stunk up the place together ... BUT --- AS USUAL, Sanchez got the ball rolling in the wrong direction, and by the time he was through killing us, there was no coming back. His two specialties --- the obligitory INT when we should be putting points on the board, and the "God forbid I actually hold onto the ball" Fumble, both occurred in crucial spots and put us out of the game before our seats were warm. It's not as if we were down 20 points and he fucked up trying to make a play or two to bring us back ... NO ... his fuck ups always happen early and often enough to put us in holes that we can't climb out of ...And THAT, right there is the reason we can't move ahead with this bum. Same story over and over and over again. Your "franchise QB" is supposed to put you in positions to win games ... not bury you as if he's getting paid off by the other team. It's really hard to win games, when your trying to win IN SPITE OF your QB play.
the INT was bad but did that mean the D had to allow an 84 yd drive? after our 4th down stop did the D have to allow an 83 yd TD in 1 play? mark deserves his share of the blame w/o a doubt but we have many more issues besides the QB.
