Stop using completion percentage. He's got bum receivers running the wrong routes, dropping passes, and Tebow coming in on all the "easy" throwing downs. I can't keep defending him at this point but claiming he's useless cause of his Comp % is just not an accurate assessment of Sanchez's ability right now. The scheme / personelle he's dealing with dictates he's going to have a lowered completion %. Case & Point: Tim Tebow was called to throw 4 swing passes to J Kerley yesterday. That's a high % 1 step drop and throw play. If you add those 4 completions to Marks stats hes 13/22. Over 50%. Now apply that to the entire season and see where his Comp% is. ( Where our team takes plays that would be simple short high% throws and uses "Tebow" plays instead ). I'm not saying he's the answer, but I can't agree with you that he's NOT the answer because of his completion % this year.
Dude, Hill was absolutely wide open, even by freaking college or high school standards. Yes, there were defenders on either side, but there was a throwing lane right up the middle, which is where Sanchez should have thrown it. Hill was running that direction so he could have made the catch, whereas the 2 defenders are just standing there, meaning that had no momentum towards the passing lane. The play was an absolutely perfect call. It pains me to say that as I'm not a big Sparano fan (for the most part), but you had Sanchez's absolutely favorite target, open out in space, away from any defensive lineman who could bat the ball. Keller was completely uncovered for most the damned route and if Sanchez had thrown the ball sooner, Keller could have caught it at the 2 yard line and walked into the endzone.
Sanchez use to be money on the #'s deep to Braylon all day long. Braylon dropped a lot of those passes too. I have always thought that Sanchez has the physical ability to make accurate throws at 10yds, 20yds, 30yds, 40yds+. Lately, I have not seen that same accuracy. We have had wide open receivers that Sanchez is missing and Sanchez cannot throw a screen or any good looking pass to anyone short of 10yds. Demo, I agree. It was a good play that had, at least, two people open that could have made a play common to the game of football. I am just stressing PA bootleg bc for some reason it has escaped our play-book for the entire season; which amazes me when you have 2 HIGHLY mobile quarterbacks on your roster and we stress GnP. Would this not give a receiver an opportunity to get open down field?
One huge problem is that Sanchez has trouble completing passes that are behind the LoS or within 1-10 yards beyond. He's under 58% on those passes, where great QBs are in the 70's and 80's and even "so so" QBs are in the upper 60's and 70's.
Do you have a reference for these stats? Not saying you're wrong just curious. Seems like a lot of Sanchez's trouble relate to the line getting worked / or passes getting swatted, also the lack of a valid pass catching option out of the backfield. Both of these a non-factor in plays like the swing pass. I would love to see 4-5 roll outs and 3-5 Swing passes early in the game to get him comfortable, If a bunch of amateur Couch Coaches can see this, how can our FO not?
I have no problem with PA bootlegs, I think they are a great idea. But, in the context of this discussion, it was out of place. As you noted, this play had 2 receivers wide open. I could be wrong about this, but on bootlegs, generally it's a 1 receiver pattern. You have the entire team going one direction, with the QB and a Receiver going counter to the flow. yes, it can be highly effective, but you also limit the number of options on that play. If a defender reads the play correctly and covers the counter receiver, the play is a bust unless your QB can run for yardage.
update on drop rate, per PFF average drop rate across the league is 6.7%, Sanchez is at 6.8% good for 16th highest
Yet, Eli Manning throws a red zone pick almost every game. The problem with your line of thinking is that Sanchez has gotten it done before. When we had Holmes-Edwards-Cotchery Sanchez was winning games and making game winning throws to them. If Sanchez hadn't shown he was capable in 2010, I'd doubt him completely, but being on the same page with your receivers is pretty damn important. There's only a handful of QBs in the league that could lose almost all of their receiving unit and still be successful. Sanchez is still soft, though. One solid hit and he's done for the game. Happens every time. Like I said, we're stuck with Mark for better or worse until the end of NEXT season. We might as well try to make it for better, if not we're just standing by the garbage can and throwing $100 bills in it every few minutes for 2 years.
happy to point you to them. At ESPN, they have player profile pages. Here's the one for Sanchez: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12482/mark-sanchez Under his pic, you'll see tabs for STATS and for SPLITS. Splits is what we are looking for: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/12482/mark-sanchez If you scroll down the splits page, you'll eventually come across this: Code: BY PASS PLAY CMP ATT YDS CMP% AVG LNG TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG LNG TD Behind LoS 17 30 131 56.7 4.37 19 0 1 0 53.6 0 0 0 0 0 Pass Thrown 1-10 yds 85 148 739 57.4 4.99 66 5 3 0 73.6 0 0 0 0 0 Pass Thrown 11-20 yds 31 61 527 50.8 8.64 25 3 3 0 76.3 0 0 0 0 0 Pass Thrown 21-30 yds 8 23 243 34.8 10.57 45 0 0 0 75.1 0 0 0 0 0 Pass Thrown 31-40 yds 3 6 96 50 16 36 2 1 0 95.8 0 0 0 0 0 Pass Thrown 41+ yds 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 39.6 0 0 0 0 0 To compare, open another tab, go to ESPN, and type the name of whatever QB you want into the search box and go to their "player page". Click on their SPLITS tab. Also, there's a ton of other good information there. It's definitely worth a look see. Thing is, as a QB, you have to be able to throw the ball without it getting swatted down at the line. It's going to happen to all QBs now and then, the question is the frequency. When a QB has an inordinate amount of tipped/batted passes, that indicates a problem. He's probably telegraphing his throws. As for swing passes, quite candidly, I haven't paid that much attention to our backs trying to catch passes out of the backfield, so I can't really speak to it specifically. As a general topic, it's a great idea to mix quite a few of those in as they slow down the rush and can be dynamic plays. This applies to any type of pass to a RB out of the backfield, be it a swing pass, a screen, RB running a wheel route, coming across the middle, etc.
There are many different variations of PA bootleg. I think the most important aspect is that it suits our Qb well as he makes great plays out of the pocket. Check out 1:30 on this video and just watch some of the other pass plays he makes, well, out of the pocket. Pennington use to make a killing on PA bootleg and his arm was half the arm Sanchez once had. [YOUTUBE]bFVRtrcDiqA[/YOUTUBE] Sanchez has regressed and it's his fault and the Jets fault. We did a terrible job of grooming him. I think of Kyle Boller now when I hear Sanchez, handcuffed from making his own decisions on the field.
Thanks, Much appreciated. I didn't know ESPN provided a breakdown like this. My thought with the swing pass being under-utilized is that the line has no affect on the play whatsoever. The ball is out so quick to the outside that the line is a non factor, Where as with screen or wheel or even across the middle theres a much better chance of that pass getting swatted. So I went and compared Sanchez stats in those categories to Brady's. Brady has thrown almost 50 more passes from 0-10 yards then Sanchez. With so much more pass catching talent around him it's amazing that Brady has had more check downs / designed short passes then Sanchez has by that margine. Again,.. What is our FO thinking?
You are probably one of those people who watches 10 cops beat a motionless, handcuffed guy on the ground for 15 minutes and then say, "well we didn't see what happened before the video started". First, 13/22 is dog shit. Second, if you have watched any Jet games for the last two years, you know that if Sanchez tried to throw 4 short swing passes, two would have been thrown at kerley's feet, one would have been over his head, and one would have been intercepted for a touchdown.
The other teams figured out how to defend those bootleg play's. Those play's typically get blown up these days.. And how many bootleg's can you call a game? We want to argue that tebow is one demensionel. But if sanchez can only run 1 or 2 play's.... Well..Then sanchez sucks too...
You're welcome. Yeah, there's some nice stats on that page. Might I advise being careful when looking at absolute raw numbers and making comparisons. It's much better to calculate and compare percentages. For example, while Brady has about 50 more passes from behind Los - 10 yards than Sanchez, the percentages are closer. 70.3% of Brady's attempts are in that range, while 65.4% of Sanchez's are. Looking at the percentages, the differences in pass mix aren't as pronounced. As to the swing pass, I agree, much less chance of getting the ball swatted. That said, Sanchez HAS to learn how to throw the ball through the line.
Peyton manning would 100% see that play develop and throw that TD every time... Sanchez is a mentel case or he is blind.
hypothetical....on the 4th time Tebow was called to throw a swing pass he saw the defender going to jump the route, pulled it down and ran for the first. How do you feel the play goes with Sanchez in?
