# of points per game you are leading your O to and W/L record are not fantasy #s. They were competitive against Atl and that was it. The other games they were blown our in and on average they lost by almost 2 TDs in those 5 games we discussed- is that really playing competitive football?
if hes gonna be mediocre and show flashes in clutch situations, people wont come around till theres a ring on his finger. simple as that. this 3rd year will say alot about his development
If Freeman is ranked ahead of Sanchez it just has to be because of their supporting casts. Simple as that.
:lol: I didn't even read anything after this post. It would have served nonpurpose and been a waste of time since this post clearly won the thread.
A video on NFL.com (probably from the reaction show), said that there were 12 QBs in the list total. With McNabb, Flacco, and Freeman already taking 3 slots, that leaves 9 QBs to go. The panelists put together this short list of QBs they think are locks to be in the remaining slots: Brady Peyton Rodgers Brees Vick Roethlisberger Rivers Matt Ryan Can't say I disagree with it. Matt Ryan would be the least likely of that list, but I'd say he's deserving. Assuming that list is accurate, there's one more slot for a QB, so ruling out some guys who obviously aren't going to appear (Henne, Clausen, Derek Anderson, etc), here's who left: Eli Sanchez Schaub Cutler Romo Bradford Palmer Favre Garrard Cassel From this list, I'd be inclined to say Eli gets the last spot since it's voted on by players. Sanchez would be, IMO, the second most likely for most of the reasons mentioned in the thread already. I wouldn't completely rule out a Sanchez appearance on the list, though.
I could see them putting Romo or Eli on there as the last qb, probably Eli. No way they put Sanchez on there over those guys..
The players hate Sanchez, they voted him into one of the most overrated category. Same thing for Eli actually. When QBs play in NY and get endorsement deals, tons of attention just for that fact, the players that play pretty much everywhere else are haters.
Plus Sanchz gets penalized for having a good run game, good defense, and a confident head coach. It's better to be on a bad team and put up good stats because you're always losing than it is to play well and win when you are supposed to win I guess.
How can you just write stats off as unimportant? There needs to be some kind of measuring stick to seperate the Henne's from the Brady's. Some of you put way too much stock into the team aspect when comparing two individuals. I'm not going to say Grossman is better than Matt Ryan because he has a Super Bowl appearance. That's just silly. Freeman is the main reason why the second youngest team in football won 10 games last year. Sanchez is the main reason why probably the most talented roster (certainly the one with the most former first round picks) didn't have an easier road to the Super Bowl. You can't put a terribly inaccurate qb in the top 100. Not one that is bottom five in completion %, YPA, and QB rating. You also can't just assume that Freeman wouldn't produce in New Jersey. There's nothing about the kid that suggests that. He's a first man in, last man out football junkie. He has shown poise late in games and commands the huddle. Like Sanchez, perhaps he had to be coached up on how not to look defeated but I've never seen that. And whoever said Sanchez has a higher ceiling is dead wrong. That's something we knew on draft day and isn't really debatable.
Actually, Freeman did put the ball in the endzone at the end of the Lion game but Winslow jr was flagged for a bogus interference penatly. They then had to settle for the fg. This was something the league apologized for so it's not just disgruntled Tampa fans. Tampa could have just as easily been in and GB out. Edit: I meant to quote first but I failed.
Whoa whoa whoa, hold on. The measuring stick that separates QBs is watching how a QB performs under pressure, against elite opponents, and in the playoffs. Freeman had to make comebacks against the easy teams in the NFL, and got beat by the teams that were above average. Sanchez was not the reason why the Jets didn't make the Super Bowl, it was the shit performance by the entire team in the first half. Sanchez has had his best games of his 2 year career in the playoffs. Sanchez hasn't looked defeated since the Buffalo game in his rookie year. So let's get rid of that BS that's been tagged onto him. Hard Knocks didn't prove anything either. Is he hard on himself? Yes, he is. I can relate when I play a sport. I curse at myself constantly. Intangibly, Sanchez does have the higher ceiling. I'll give Freeman the stronger arm and more mobility, but it's been proven those aren't prerequisites to winning a SB... unless ESPN is the only source of information for the typical fan and they don't dig deeper.
Yes, Freeman made comebacks against poor opponents (as Did Sanchez)...but Tampa is the second youngest team in football. They're not supposed to be world beaters. Freeman is throwing to targets as young or younger than he is. And Freeman's intangibles are just as high if not higher than Sanchez.
I really love Sanchez as much as anyone here, but right now, he's definitely not as good as Freeman. And that's much more of a compliment to Freeman as it is a knock on Sanchez. Freeman took a pretty much offensively talentless Bucs team (I had thought coming in they'd be one of the 3 worst teams in the NFL) to a 10-6 record while playing in the same division as the Saints and Bucs. He had two late-round draft pick rookies starting at WR, nothing at RB until a UDFA (Blount) emerged, and still managed an extremely impressive 25/6 TD/INT ratio. Sanchez, as good as I think he will be, still makes too many mistakes to have put up those kind of numbers. If he had been on that Bucs team, they would not have been 10-6. All that being said, I'd still take Sanchez over Freeman long-term.
