a-rod was/is a better defensive shortstop then jeter and i don't think even junc would argue this. he shouldn't have had to "ask", it should've been common sense that he would slide in at short and jeter would move.
He shoudln't have had to ask? You expect a HOF career, homegrown YANKEE w/ 4 Championships to move for ARod? Give me jeter any day of the week, just like w/ his hitting ARod will put up better #s but then disappear when things get tight- last year against Anaheim he not only killed us w/ his bat but w/ his glove and legs as well. I would NEVER even consider moving jeter from SS, he has earned the rigght to play that position for the Yanks as long as he wants to. When I was a little younger I didn't apprecitae Jeter either but over the years I have come to appreciate him more and more. I used to think he was #3 behind ARod and Nomar but having watched Nomar through the years(when he was good, before his mini rebirth this year) and now having watched ARod daily there is no question I'd take Jeter over ARod and Nomar in their primes. It's just like I'd take Brady over Manning- Manning puts up great #s but Brady makes plays when his team needs him.
He didnt do it because he had to Junc. Sorry if you cant see it Junc but Arod was, is and will be a better SS than Jeter. It was Jeter that should have moved willingly for the team but he didnt. There was no HAD TO, but you are right, he didnt turn it into a Soriano issue and never complaing giving the media nothing to report. But there was never a HAD TO.
I thought you were about winning junc? Jeter has earned the "right" to play SS for the Yankees as long as he's the best option to do so. This is nothing like the Brady/Manning debate either because Jeter and A-Rod can play on the same team.
He's a top 5 all time talent player BUT his clutch failures hurt him and I'll take Jeter over him any day. You think a homegrown future HOF Yankee who was a key to 4 World Series Titles should move his position in the prime of his career? The incumbent keeps his job, If jeter went to texas he'd move to 3rd but when ARod comes here jeter should never have to even think of moving. So if eric Gagne was still in the midst of his great years w/ #s that blow away mariano if we signed Gagne mariano should become the set up man?
I am about winning and Jeter always gives my team the best chance to win. How about my baseball example. What if we signed Gagne after his record setting season wher his #s were far and away better than Mo's. Should Mo have to be the set up man? of course not. Same type of deal w/ Jeter and ARod.
Your example is once again not even comparable. Besides the fact that Gagne has only had 3 big times years in his career, there's only 1 closer on a team. If Gagne is pitching in the 9th that means Rivera isn't. If A-Rod were playing SS Jeter would still be on the field, and still in the same spot in the batting order. It's simply a matter of passing up a chance to upgrade the most important defensive position in the IF because Jeter had "earned the right" to play there as long as he wanted.
The better player should always play their best position. It doesnt always happen that way though. And Jeter as a future HOF Yankee who was a key to 4 WS titles should have been a true team captain and Yankee by doing what was best for the team and not himself.
You act like jeter isn't great, if Jetre wasn't getting the job done and a top SS he would have had to move. We aren't talking about Alvaro Espinoza here, we are talking a lock future 1st ballot HOFer- why should Jeter have to move? and again, ARod has better #s just like on offense but in big games Jeter tends to come through and ARod tends to choke. How many examples must I come up w/? You get the point. A great player should never have to move positions when another great player is brought into his team.
He is doing what's best for the team. Maybe he wouldn't have made as smooth a transition to 3B as ARod has? As SS's if I have a choice I'll take Jeter every day but even if you think ARod is better I think Jeter at SS and ARod at 3B would be better than ARod at SS and Jeter at 3B. I'm not sure Jeter could make such a smooth transition to 3B.
Wait...what? So what happens in big spots, all of a sudden Jeter doubles his range and makes clutch plays in the field? As Jeter is a pretty surehanded fielder and range is his biggest issue at SS I think he would've been a no brainer to slide in at 3rd with A-Rod handled SS. Why don't you think Jeter would've been able to play 3rd?
He has made a ton of great plays but he makes plays period. ARod all of a suddne couldn't field against LAA last year. I guess he'd have been able to do it but I think ARod is the better athlete and the transition to 3rd was smoother for him than I think would have been for Jeter. This is and has been jeter's team, that alone would have made it awkward moving our marquee player especially when ARod has been able to handle 3rd for the most part.
Awkward for who? It really is amazing how you attempt to boil an entire 162+ game season into 5 games at the end of the year.
Those 5 games mean alot more than the other 162. Don't you get it? You are ok w/ guys playing great in the reg season then folding in the playoffs? I'll take less reg season #s and better postseason #s any day, I don't want to see guys dip in the postseason and it's not just 5 games it's about 9 games. Since he went off w/ 3 hits, 3 RBI and a HR in the thrashing of Bos in game 3 of the '04 ALCS he has a total of 4 hits and 2 RBI and since Game 5 of the '04 ALCS he hs 3 hits and ZERO RBI.
And what if the lesser regular season numbers mean that you don't make the playoffs? Obviously playing great in both would be preferrable but you can't trash a guy that had a great regular season and a bad series in the playoffs.
We don't know if lesser reg season #s would have meant missing the playoffs. Look at this weekend, he misses 2 of 3 games and we win the 2 he misses and lose the game he plays. Who knows if we would have made it, the chances were still good that someone else could have stepped up and replaced some of his important production and we still make the playoffs and would have had a better chance to beat LAA.
And now we're back to the "A-Rod only hits when the Yankees are winning or losing by 7 runs or more" nonsense. It's amazing how circular these arguments always end up. A-Rod himself probably says it best: "It'll never stop," he said, "until I win five or six world championships, and hit a Joe Carter home run to win one of them. "I don't take anything personally. I think it's comical. Anyone who drives in 130 runs has to hit in the clutch. I've done a lot of special things in this game. For none of that to be considered clutch is an injustice."
:rofl2: :rofl2: Holy shit bro!! Give it a damn rest! So because ARod was coming back from the flu, we lost? It had nothing to do with Aaron Small, who needs to be sent to Columbus? That junc, right there is a freaking joke...I'm pretty much speechless I just read that... Has their EVER been a time with Phins fans, champ, 3rd&15, 10P10, Shade, FTC, Wild...Whoever...That you just said "Your right." Or ever just stop an on-going argument? It's as if you'll never accept being wrong once...
