Herm was about TEAM wins, ARod is about individual #s. Herm guided us to 3 PO appearances in 5 years and prior to him we made it once in 9 years and 8 times TOTAL. How can you compare that w/ ARod's failures in the clutch? You guys are comical, hey as long as ARod keeps putting up "great #s" we'll be ok. I forgot this was the NY ARod's not the NY Yankees so as long as he puts up great #s we should all be very happy:rofl:
A-Rod out tonight with a stomach virus. What an un-clutch player. Scott Brosius would have played. Scott Brosius would have thrown up on the field. That Scott Brosius throw up would produce three clutch runs.
Herm sucks, he choked in the clutch more than A-rod, the biggest play we needed from Herm ended up being a kneel. At least A-rod tries(Even though he fails in big situations).
Absolutely but w/o ARod being as good as he can be it makes it alot more difficult for us to win in october. We rely on him which is why I complain about him alot. I must have missed it when Herm missed thoe 2 kicks. The bottom line is the Jets IMPROVED under Herm from the team he took over, the Yanks have gotten worse since ARod and his failures in big spots have been a big reason why.
What are you talking about? ARod is all about winning 1st...Hell, he left Texas so he could WIN...He said he was happy about his MVP, but would rather have the ring Ortiz has... Yet, he's all about individual numbers...So, he doesn't care about a World Series and wanting to win? Just about individual numbers?:rofl2:
Was herm the GM? and Herm took over a situation where the team had msised the playofffs 2 straight years and 8 of 9 years and in 5 years made almost half as many PO appearances as the franchise had in the 40+ years prior to his arrival. Everybody WANTS to win in theory but if that was the case then maybe he would have stayed in Seattle where they had just come off an ALCS appearance instead of going to a bad Texas team w/ no future. Then instead of committing to the team that gave him that money he wanted to go to a ready made team to win and that still didn't work out. Let's recap- had great situation in Seattle then left, couldn't handle rebuilding in Texas then left, wanted to piggy back to a World Championship but so far hasn't happened. I don't blame him for leaving Seattle for the contract he got but you can't tell me he placed a higher emphasis on winning than getting paid.
:lol: You gotta be kidding me. Last year's team was better than the team he took over:rofl2: We're rebuilding now because of Herm and our o-line was shot. C-Mart was overused. The first Herm team was a good team, the team he left us was horrible, we declined, there is no way we improved. The team that was there before Herm came was 9-7. Last year we were 4-12, I dont see that as an improvement. Answer this NYJUNC, is a 4-12 team an improvement over a 9-7 team?
First off last year we sucked b/c of injuries, injuries I haven't seen any team in my life go through. Secondly I said we improved under Herm, I didn't say we were better today than 5 years ago, we went from missing the playoffs 2 straight years and 8 of 9 to making it 3 of 4- isn't that getting better? read my response above. Answer me this, was Herm our GM? How can he be blamed if the level of talent isn't as high? and oh by the way the cupboard is FAR from bare, we won't be great this year but we have a bunch of building blocks and we won't be down for long.
Hang on but you said we improved under him. Bradway was a bad GM however you said we basically improved which we did not. We got worse, even if we have no injuries this year we arent expected to do well, so injuries should be thrown out the window. You did say we are better today than 5 years ago, you said we constantly improved so that means he would have left us with a better team than the one he took over. We have tons of building blocks but that is thanks to our new GM. Bradway did have Vilma but his screw-ups definitely outweigh the good moves. KC is gonna be one of the worst teams in the league now in a few years. Also many of last year's injuries happened because of Herm's camp-joy joy.
You have to love people that defend a barely average HC to no end, but constantly bashes one of the most naturally talented baseball players that has played the game. junc hearts mediocrity.
All this Yankee cannibalism is awesome... Have to say I agree with Junc's stance on A-rod jumping teams... it's BS if you ask me. If all he wanted to do was win, he could have stayed in SEA... really all he wanted was the money... which is his prerogative. However to come out a few seasons later and walk out on Texas just so he could "win" in total garbage in my opinion.
Are you saying we didn't? Did we get worse by appearing in the playoffs almost half as many times in 5 years as the franchise did for over 40 yrs before Herm? Show me where I said that? the new regime was left w/ Jones, Moore, Kendall, Coles, McCareins, Baker, Blaylock, Houston, Askew, Graham, Nugent, Robertson, Thomas, Vilma, Barton, hobson, Miller, Rhodes, Coleman, Strait and others. The new regime was left w/ alot of talent. Let's not act like this is the '89 Jets. Some of us aren't in awe of meaningless fantasy #s and actually want to win. Herm comes into a situation where the jets missed the playoffs 2 straight years and 8 of 9 and guides us there 3 times in his first 4 years including only our 2nd EVER AFC East Title. ARod is SUPPOSED to be our best player but fails in the clutch time after time, he came to an AL pennat winning team and last I checked we havn't got back to the WS w/ him and he has been horrible in the postseason outside of a few games against Minnesota. Herm didn't come in as the best Coach in the NFL, ARod came in as the best(or at worst top 3) players in baseball. herm improved us, ARod puts up fanatsy #s but sucks when we need him most.
this is the junc special right here. if you don't believe that the yankees would've won as many(or more) games with brosius at 3b instead of a-rod you're in awe of meaningless fantasy numbers and don't want your team to win. un fucking believable
Herm didnt come in as the worst coach in the NFL but after Wannstedt was fired Herm clearly showed his crap stinks.
If Arod was all about individual #'s then he would have demanded to play SS to be the best hitting SS ever. If he was about individual #'s then he would have made the Yankees move Jeter to 3B or 2B. The fact that he willingly changed positions showed me that it wasnt all about his individual #'s but about getting the chance to win after his debaucle in Texas.
Willingly changed positions? He did it b/c he HAD to. He wanted out of texas so badly and the only team he could go to after the Bos trade didn't work out(think about if that worked out, Manny would have been in texas, ARod in Boston and Schilling w/ us- we'd have #27 and the "curse" would still be alive) was to the yankees and there was no way he was moving Jeter. If he even asked he would have been skewered in the media. One thing about ARod is he is very mdia saavy, he knew better to even ask. Hey did anyone notice that the 2 games ARod sat this weekend we won and the game he playd we lost? I thought we couldn't win w/o him? :grin:
