I was born in 1985. The year of the greatest Defense of all time (85' Bears) so I guess it's just in my football DNA to love Defense. And as a Defensive minded fan, I know the importance of a true Franchise and generational QB because if you do not have one such as a Peyton/Big Ben? You aren't beating my 2009/2010 Revis led AFCCG Jets. But don't worry. I've been patiently waiting for a change. Once we draft Trevor Lawrence? My user name will then become OffenseWinsChampionships and my Avatar will be of Trevor Lawrence/Mekhi Becton (instead of my boring Jets helmet). I've had my DWC user name around JI/JN/TGG etc since 2006 (almost 15 years) but once we land Trevor Lawrence? It'll become a different era of Jets posting and I'll become a new man as DWC comes to an end (expires) with the birth of OWC.
Sigh... Troy Aikman played 12 years in the NFL. Out of those 12 years, he played 4 of those years under a 78.3 QB rating. Mcnabb.. 3 seasons under that mark In his career Testerverde ... Almost all his seasons were under that 78.3 mark Favre.. Almost HALF his seasons were under that mark... I'm just looking up random QB's, this argument Isn't very sound to me, especially when looking at the BS talent provided to Sam Darnold In his VERY early career. I think he needs a change of scenery already, I think he will thrive on a team that actually functions the way an NFL team should. These stats you are throwing out are being used In a way to make you sound better than you actually sound. When you look at the big picture though, It doesn't look as good. Anyway. I think we need to move on from Darnold at this point too, but, I don't think he Is bad either. I think he needs better, fuck, deserves better than anything he has gotten from this sad sack of shit team.
baseball is much more fair with scoring and much more single player dependent. a pitcher let down by his fielders or catcher isn't charged a run. it goes down as an error. that doesn't happen in the NFL.
Na. When you're rated as the 32nd and dead last QB amongst all QB's such as... Single Season QB Ratings of QBs who were ranked 32nd and dead last dating back to 2000 of 20 years ago. Sam Darnold: 65.9 (2020). Andy Dalton: 78.3 (2019). Josh Rosen: 66.7 (2018). DeShone Kizer: 60.5 (2017). Ryan Fitzpatrick: 69.6 (2016). Ryan Mallett: 67.9 (2015). Blake Bortles: 69.5 (2014). Geno Smith: 66.5 (2013). Matt Cassel: 66.7 (2012). Blaine Gabbert: 65.4 (2011). Jimmy Clausen: 58.4 (2010). Jamarcus Russell: 50.0 (2009). Derek Anderson: 66.5 (2008). Kellen Clemens: 60.9 (2007). Andrew Walter: 55.8 (2006). Kyle Orton: 59.7 (2005). AJ Feeley: 61.7 (2004). Kordell Stewart: 56.8 (2003). Joey Harrington: 59.9 (2002). Jon Kitna: 61.1 (2001). Ryan Leaf: 56.2 (2000). It's no longer a lie. It's reality. And the truth. These other dead last & 32nd ranked QBs over the past 20 years, unfortunately; is all he'll ever be (and is).
Uh, do you really think that after I posted the Mark Twain quote that responding with more stats would be any more convincing?
I bet you can not name me one HOF QB who EVER finished their season as the 32nd and dead last rated QB during one of their seasons. Lol.
Is the term "Generational Quarterback" now being used because the writer has used up his lifetime allocation of "Franchise Quarterback?"
I suspect OP may be closing in on his lifetime allocation of posts, words, letters, punctuation, and spaces.
I'm not an expert on QBR, but a baseball pitcher's numbers rely only minimally on teammates. A great pitching performance in front of a terrible defense, with all else being equal, is usually going to win a game. And even if his defense is committing actual errors, this is obviously reflected by the E in ERA. Notwithstanding anything about Darnold's individual performance this year, I reject the thesis that QBR reflects on a QB the same way. Unlike a pitcher, a quarterback cannot have a great individual QBR performance if his teammates are uniformly terrible. It's never going to happen.
Does era depend on play design and other players doing their job properly? From OC to the center snapping, rb’s and Oline picking up blitzes. Wr’s getting separation and actually catching the ball I don’t see the comparison.
Aikman finished dead last in QB ratings in 1989 with a rating of 55.7. Then they traded Hershall Walker and built a dynasty.
Please never compare Trevor to David Carr (coming out). Ok you're right about Aikman, however in 1989 Troy was only a rookie. But to be in your 3rd year? And still ranked 32nd and dead last in QB Rating? That is absolutely criminal. Andu during Aikman's 3rd year he ranked 6th amongst all QBs in QB Rating; not 32nd and dead last. That's the problem with Sam Darnold. He's in his 3rd year and still playing like a rookie and continues to make rookie mistakes it's disgusting.
If the Cowboys didn't make that blockbuster trade Aikmans career would have been a bust. By his 3rd season they had drafted Emmit Smith, Michael Irvin, and Larry Allen to support Aikman. All HOF payers. HOF QBs still need talent around them.
That's...just not true. Plenty of QB's have put up better numbers than Darnold with comparable surrounding talent. Mitch Trubisky has better career numbers than Darnold. So does Gardner Minshew. By a lot. There are tons of others as well.
I'm not. I'm comparing the Jets' ability to pass protect a rookie QB #1 overall pick with the 2002 Texan's ability to pass protect for a rookie QB #1 overall pick. If Trevor comes here, I predict the world will never know how good he could have been. Jets have Becton, but the 2002 Texans had Tony Boselli and Ryan Young. Carr was still sacked 76 times. We will never know how good he could have been, if they hadn't ruined him immediately. One or two guys does not an offensive line make.
