Rodgers just made an UDFA Allen Lazard and UDFA Tonyan look like a HOF. That is the difference I see, one QB elevates anyone and everyone around him while the other throws right to the other team. I'll let you figure out which is which. Enough with the excuses for Sam, he's young, he's got no talent surrounding him, its only his 3rd year and he's only 23 yadda yadda yadda, whatever I dont care when kids are coming into the league and lighting it on fire as rookies/2nd year players. If you put Tonyan/Lazard on Sam's side, what do you think Sams stats would look like?
Herbert and Burrow look pretty damn calm in their rookie year slinging the ball around the yard. I don't ever remember Darnold looking as good in any two or three game stretch as those two have looked. And I don't even think Herbert is going to be a good player. Sam isn't a rookie or a prospect anymore. It's time he puts his big boy balls on and scores more than a touchdown a game.
AMEN, IDC that he's a younger vet than other 3rd year players. That's still 3 years in the league that he should be able to show progress consistently, yet all we see are occasional flashes still while other teams are enjoying the fruits of their picks (Buffalo I am looking at you, KC I'm shouting your name, oh and Arizona and LA don't think I forgot about you either). ...
I think the Jets ruined sam. I remember being so high on him, thinking he was going to ascend into a FQB, but I think the years of poor coaching, plus lack of talent has made Sam develop poor mechanics and a lack of patience in the pocket. Yesterday's showing makes me the only way to give Sam a fair shot the rest of the season is to fire gase after the Broncos game, and give Sam the rest of the season to show he can stop turning the ball over. If he can't (I don't think a coaching change is going to magically change all of his bad habits) then we will likely be taking Trevor Lawrence. A trade for Sam could get us a conditional 3rd rounder, but I think we have done Sam a disservice and he may be a star on another team that has enough talent to help him along. He's still young enough to rebound, but Joe Douglas did not pick Darnold and has no attachment to him. Have a hard time believing Joe would pass on selecting Trevor Lawrence.
Obviously I'm not in the locker room so this is pure speculation, but Sam doesn't come off as a leader of men to me. His laid back attitude is great for NY but not great in a leadership role.
NYers have a laid back attitude hah? Or are you saying his laid back attitude can help balance the typical NY attitude?
LMAO at those who say to trade the first pick and surround Sam with weapons. He ain't the guy. He can't read coverages. He stares down receivers and he has terrible footwork. Butttttt... let's trade the pick and pass on a generational qb who has more talent and skill in his left pinky than Darnold.
I don't really believe teams 'ruin' quarterbacks in the sense that they prevent them from being Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, etc. I do think that teams can prevent a Case Keenum type from being an Andy Dalton game manager and ball distributor. The gameplans this week wasn't the issue. And the fact that we only put up 7 points this week with 3/4 of their starting secondary out is on not only the coach, but the quarterback. Their defense doubled up what our offense scored.
I was never a big fan of Darnold at USC but am admittedly biased in that regard, but was hopeful and optimistic that the expert evaluation of him was more true than my biased opinion. sadly, either they weren’t or the organization has ruined him. Either way, I don’t think it’s likely he ever rebounds in his career to be what we hoped he would be.
I think the greats will somehow find a way to be great - but for some QB's, they need that stability and steadiness in their early years to get themselves settled to reach their potential. I don't know if Darnold was ever going to be great, I think that's something we will have to see when he moves on to a different team, but the jets certainly didn't do enough to help him. Our roster has minimal depth, injuries everywhere, poor coaching, new offensive system changes, it's just a litany of garbage from the top to the bottom. I'm not even putting yesterday's loss on Gase, honestly the defense was abysmal, and any team with a QB who gives up 2 pick 6's is going to have an impossible task of winning.
Is it? Burrow has two 300 yard games in three starts. Herbert has two in two starts. Sam has four in 29 starts.
Look,im leaning toward Sam not being good but the personnel has been dreadful.Not average.Or even below average.Pure garbage. Also,imagine Dan Marino in a WC offense or Joe Montana in a Mike Martz offense.It would have been a disaster for either.Sam is not a conventional QB.He needs the right system to cater to his strength.The system Gase is running is the OPPOSITE to what Sam needs. Scary thing is i dont think Lawrence fits Gase’s scheme either.
My hope was that Sam could survive and overcome all that is around him (Bad Head Coach, Bad Offensive Play Calling, Bad O-line, Bad WR's, No Running Game) but that is really hard to do. You would have to be an elite talent like Mahomes or Rodgers. I thought Darnold may be that, but he is showing that he is not. Can't blame him for it. That doesn't mean that he is a bad QB or that he has been ruined, but they need to change things up and quick or he officially will be. Time is running out.
If Gase is brought back next year and we somehow get Lawrence, there will be threads here about how Trevor failed to live up to the hype while Fields and Lance are lighting up the league.
you said they have looked good in any two or three game stretch then Darnold has. Darnold 2018- Texans week 15- 24/38, 253 yds, 2 TD’s Week 16- 24/35, 341 yds 3 TD’s 2019 Week 11- washington 19/30, 291 yds, 4 TD’s, INT Week 12 Oakland- 20/29, 315 yds, 2 TD’s burrow has also dropped back a ridiculous amount of times. He’s averaging 47 attempts a game. He had thrown the ball 61 times his second game. That game his average yards per attempt was around 5. Yesterday he was decent with 31/44, 312 yards and 2 TD’s. But he was sacked 8 times as well. He’s basically dink and dunking just like what Sam is doing now, but he has significantly better weapons then Sam does. I honestly think out of all the things wrong here with the Jets, Sam is like 5th on the list. He has a terrible support system period. Coaching sucks, the gameplan is piss poor, he’s throwing to XFL caliber WR’s right now. His run game is old man Gore right now. He’s not being put in a position to succeed.
