What are your thoughts on Darnold, I'm not sold? May not always agree but I respect your opinions on QB prospects.
He's a very aggressive q.b that doesn't like checking down, very confident in his arm to make throws down the field. In a way he's playing on all pure talent, this year he needs to improve seeing the field. He needs to play the position better in terms of the fundamentals, making the reads pre and post snap. His down field accuracy is on point and can make some insane throws I haven't seen since Stafford in Georgia. Mobility, height and arm strength. Hes the #1 qb until Darnold tightens up his release.
Interesting indeed. If guys stay in school it may end up being a weaker draft than this year's. It can go so many ways.
Worth keeping eyes on Luke Falk (Washington St) and Mason Rudolph (Oklahoma St) too. Questions about their college offense, but production and tools are very much there for both.
He doesn't throw down the seams at all,all of his big plays are on the run many of which are clear interceptions in the NFL...id like to see more touch on some of his throws To be fair however the surrounding cast is not good nor is the pass protection.He may be playing to 'his teammates strengths.In which case perhaps he can make those throws & expand his game as he's surrounded w better talent/coaching. Still his physical tools & makeup are awfully intriguing for a guy who had a whole offseason to get even better.While Im still skeptical I don't think the draft projections are out of line.Hopefully puts it all together this year against decent opposition.
I'm very excited to see Allen vs Iowa on Saturday, he did not fare well in his only start vs a big 5 school. At this point it's 1. Darnold 2.Rosen 3. Allen So much can change though between now and draft. We need to hope they each have huge years and declare.
Falk is very accurate but lack arm strength. Don't know if he has the same mental make-up, but he plays and physical resembles Tom Brady on the field. Brady is the GOAT but he was still a 6th round pick as a prospect. Needless to say Falk is not going to test well or look good in shorts but I think he should end up being a solid pro. Rudolph also doesn't have the strongest arm but throws with good anticipation and timing, a WCO coach should scoop him up. Both are in the 2nd tier group IMO.
Darnold has a really good feel for timing in the short and intermediate passing game and can mix up his release from the fastball to show great touch and anticipation. He also has some nice instincts in the pocket and can extend the play in the face of pressure. I definitely need to see more of him and I really want to see him in a cold outdoor game to test his ability to drive the ball because I'm not sure his arm strength is what it's touted as. I'm not really too worried about his release because the main problem is that his arm angle is a little low rather than him having a long windup. I think it's tight enough to succeed in the league and nowhere near Bortles/Tebow's. I think he's QB1 right now but Rosen or Allen could definitely displace him with a strong year. Darnold is the least physically gifted of the 3 but he has the best instincts to play quarterback.
I think he's a taller version of Mahomes with worse accuracy and far worse instincts. If Mahomes is barely a top 10 pick then I can't see why Allen is being touted as a #1 overall consideration.
Because he is bigger. If Mahomes was 6-4, he'd be in consideration for the first QB off the board. Despite how sophisticated player evaluation has become, scouts and GMs still get enamored with size and arm strength (see Hackenberg). Also with Mahomes, there was the air raid excuse. Allen plays in a pro-style offense, is big and athletic so for lazy evaluators, the work done.
He's far more developed then Mahomes. Note the footwork of both qbs. One is distinctively better. I think the comparison is warranted. I would also say he's a better scrambler. Really looking forward to the Iowa game to see if he improves
There is no doubt the Jets will strike for a QB in 2018. Having said that, I'm not at all ready to give up on either Hack and/or Petty. But I'm beyond ready to give up on the leadership and coaching that got us to this point. Either of these two guys would be light years ahead if they went to a team that understood the value of a proper offense. More importantly, unless we figure out a way to massively improve the OL during the next off season, no matter who we draft, he will be completely unable to do much better than what we have. A rookie QB with no time to react is dead on arrival no matter how mature or talented we think he is. We have some real challenges ahead and goes way beyond the QB. It starts at the top.
We got money and picks. If beechum plays well we can sign a RT and draft another good lineman as high as a 2nd rounder. Our line has potential and we can easily build it up in one off season
How many successful qbs have come from the air raid? Sure someone will or Mahomes has already broken the mold, but that offense pretty much hides alot of issues qbs have. Not trying to act like I know everything but Hack is a statue in the pocket. Allen's best attribute is throwing on the run / arm strength. Note, I have supported Hack as a Jet but I never wanted to draft him.
Hack / Petty dream is over. I really want a new hc That knows what he wants in a qb and will back that qb up as if his job depends on it. Bowles has no idea on what a good qb looks like when scouting for one.
He strikes me as natural football player first and quarterback second. I read somewhere that he played mainly WR and LB in HS before switching to QB full-time his JR year. Considering he hasn't played the position that long his decision making, touch, anticipation, instincts and pocket awareness is frankly amazing. Some see him as just scratching the surface and will only improve in the fundamentals of the position. If that happens, then he is no question QB1 as he's already adept at the stuff you can't teach. At the risk of sounding like @101GangGreen101, his mechanics, footwork and arm strength bother me. He IMO lags behind Rosen, Allen and even Stidham, another former HS WR, in those areas; sans Rosen, I think he's less an athlete as well. His accuracy is a bit overrated; I've seen him air mail and dirt ball wide open WRs. There were several instances of WRs bailing him out of poor ball placement throws. Lastly his throwing motion. The release is fine it's the fact he brings the ball down low to start; that's wasted motion and a potential ball security issue. Part of me feel like I'm nitpicking but as a Jets fan Darnold scares the crap out of me. Something about that USC uniform tends to make QBs look a lot better than they really are. I thought Palmer was going to be the GOAT and we all know about Leinart, Sanchez and Barkley. I just ask myself if Darnold played 10 games for Texas Tech, Wyoming or North Dakota St would he be my projected clear cut QB1, my answer is NO.
All fair points. In regard to his throwing motion, he worked with Jordan Palmer in the offseason to get it shortened. Something to look out for
They both have very good feet, which is more important. Allen just has more footwork from center on tape because of the offense he runs. I'd venture to say Mahomes may have slightly more quicker and nimble feet. Allen is probably is faster in a straight line which doesn't amount to much for the position. Trust me Andy Reid is a WCO coach, the VERY FIRST thing they look at when evaluating a QB prospect is their feet. He wouldn't have traded up to get a guy with lumbering feet that would ultimately have trouble learning all the footwork needed for his offense. If by better scrambler, you mean tucking and running, then yes Allen is better. If we are talking in terms of making plays down field, then no.
