Payton would be the first experienced or "real" HC we have had in a long time. I'm not giving up draft picks, especially a first for him, however. Payton may want to bring Brees with him, then the Jets would be in the very scenario you describe above. We'd have to give away Mo and Claiborne. No thanks, unless the Jets can get him without giving up any draft picks and without Brees. If he's willing to develop Petty, Hack and the young QB we draft, fine. There is some reason for doubt with Mac, but he hasn't been nearly as bad as you say he has. His 2017 draft looks to be a very good, if not great one. If we get a DC that knows how to utilize players and put them in a position to succeed, Lee may suddenly look like a great pick. Lee has the talent and was very productive at OSU. He can be productive again if used correctly. EDIT: Initially, the idea of giving up a draft pick or picks for Payton, especially a first, was abhorrent to me, but as I think about it more, it might be worth it if it was just the 2019 1st and that was it. After all, Payton is an experienced HC, something we've wanted and needed, and is a very good offensive mind, again something we've wanted and needed. He helped develop Brees or his system helped make Brees a very good/successful QB. If the Jets get Darnold or Rosen in the draft, get an LT in the draft, upgrade the OL in FA, add a #1 WR prospect and a RB, the offense could suddenly become very good in 2018 and going forward. The key for me would be the issue regarding Brees and whom Payton would want to be his coordinators. I think Morton would be ideal if that's the system that would best fit Darnold or Payton. That would maintain consistency/stability for the offense, and with Darnold/Rosen, Petty and Hack, the Jets would more than likely be set at QB, and could possibly wind up being able to trade Hack or Petty for a good draft pick. The DC question would be huge, because we definitely need a DC who will pick a system that fits the talent we have on hand and who will know how to put it in a position to succeed, and not one who has "his" system and either tries to force square pegs into round holes, or requires that we almost totally turnover our D personnel. We already have a lot of talent on the D side of the ball. With the right coordinator and a better pass rush, the D should get a lot better in a hurry.
Anyone willing to give up our 2019 first rounder has to remember, we are going to be pretty bad again next year. Drafting a qb doesn't automatically make us a contender. Now, are you willing to give up a possible top 3-5 pick for a coach?
Some of you guys are suckers for wanting to give up a pick for a coach that only helps 1 side of the ball and has failed to implement a decent defense. I'll give the Saints a Peanut Butter sandwich for Payton, that's it.
I want our next coach to have had previous NFL head coaching experience. Who was the last coach we hired who'd already run a team, Parcells? My concern with Sean Peyton is that he'll likely make us an offensive juggernaut, but our defense will be atrocious, and we'll end up losing games 42-38.
I’m all aboard the Payton train but you gotta be kidding giving up a 1st rd pick for him. If Payton is free to leave then hell yea, otherwise moving on. I also think this talk of needing to get a HC with previous experience is silly. Get me a young innovative offensive mind and I don’t care if he was cleaning toilets last year.
The Jets haven't even mastered the current trend and you expect them to be trailblazers for the next? I agree with the person you responded to, the Jets need a leader who has proven success in the NFL.
The current trend is to find the next bright offensive mind, what you talking about? It’s more rare that a team hires an experienced HC than a hot coordinator, has been for years.
The Saints are going to be 0-3 for the third straight year after this week. If the Saints don't fire him they aren't going to fight to keep him either if he approached them looking to move on if the Jets or any other team was interested in him.
All of the evidence supports this - the Saints would love for him to want to leave so they can move on without causing an uproar among the fanbase, and avoid the possibility of Brees raising a stink over it. The Saints have been a mess for years (on one side of the ball, yes, but that's the point - you need to be at least competent on both sides of the ball, and the Saints haven't been), and in my view Payton doesn't get a pass on that. Giving up a high draft pick would IMO be vastly overpaying given his track record and his standing with the team. The earlier point about how much Payton has gotten out of one Super Bowl compared to (for example) Billick is also right on point, and it's easy to see why - Hurricane Katrina. It really is impossible from the outside to understand how devastated the New Orleans area was in 2005 - there were very serious concerns about the viability of New Orleans as a major city, and certainly of its viability as the host city of an NFL franchise. Tom Benson had threatened to move the team a few months before Katrina, and spent the 2005 season actively seeking to make a deal to move the team to San Antonio. It was only the extremely negative reaction of the NFL (and Paul Tagliabue) that stopped it, and it wasn't until April 2009 that the Saints actually signed a deal to stay in New Orleans until at least 2025. Ten months later they won the Super Bowl, and that became indelibly associated with the idea that New Orleans could come back as a city. Payton and Brees aren't sports heroes in New Orleans, they're civic heroes, and Tom Benson can't afford to ignore that.
Jets hit the lottery: Payton comes to NY and brings Brees with him as QB coach for either Petty, Hack or Rosen/Darnold. Keeps Morton as OC ...Hires a forward thinking DC (adios Kacy...) and keeps the ST's intact. Then I woke up...
With the history of Jet first round picks over the last 10 years ( jury out on Adams) what has this team got to lose by giving it up.
Sean Payton would be my realistic choice as HC next year (Jim Harbaugh my fantasy land preference) and even I wouldn't advocate a first round pick for him.
Our ST's are horrible. So it's probably a good thing you woke up, had you kept dreaming you would have seen Catanzaro miss the SB winning field goal.
Well Rex got us to two AFC Championships. Not that shabby considering the rest of the dross we have endured for many a year. Its hard to give up picks. But I would not be against the idea for a good coach. We need a good, experienced offensive coach more than we need a future 1st round pick if we have a QB in place. We can all list the amount of 1st round trash we have drafted over the years. A good coach is worth more than that pick.
Aside from a franchise QB, a good coach is worth more than any first rounder. Think about it. If I told you you could have any available coach you wanted (not saying you could get Belichick, he isn't available), or you could have any non-QB entering next year's draft you wanted, which one would help the team win more games?
The Saints haven't been relevant in years.....Write him a blank check for what exactly?HE WON THE Superbowl Rexs first year and hasn't done much since then.Its been 5 fucking years since they made the playoffs
True but Payton, although appealing as a coach if available, certainly doesn't have the track record that indicates he's worth a first round pick.
