Salary Cap Fun--Resign Everyone!

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  1. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Cutting brick without having a reasonable replacement on the roster would be suicidal. If you guys think Brick was awful, wait till you see what a second rate free agent looks like. The guy was not as bad as people on here claim. It's hilarious how people on here act like he was a turnstile.

    Sacks is not the be all, end all stat for how well an o-line does in pass protection but the Jets gave up the 2nd fewest sacks in the league in 2015 with Brick protecting the blind side. Fitz threw more TD passes than an QB in Jets history for a season. We had a top 10 scoring offense. Yes, Fitz gets rid of the ball quickly, but he's no where near the best in the league in that category. You don't do all that with a garbage LT and an average QB in the NFL.
     
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  2. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    someone tell me why fitz is going to take significantly less than the 12.5/13 per year sam bradford and nick foles signed for. the fact that kapernick is staying in s.f. at his current deal isn't helping either. everyone should prepare to have fitz at a 11 mil/year cap hit
     
  3. Ubiquitous

    Ubiquitous Well-Known Member

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    Welcome to the forums by the way. Solid, thought provoking thread. Stick around!
     
  4. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    An idea that pays off if a starting running back falls out of the sky and lands in Florham Park.Fitz with no running game is a horrible situation.....When Ivory was healthy and on the field we were a better team.
     
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  5. Ohnoit'sGeno

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    Fitzpatrick I see getting 8-9 million per year, and Damon Harrison 6 - 7.5 million . ( Dan Williams got 6 million per year last year in Fa- Harrison better, and going to cost more this year with cap going up). Snacks already turned down 5 million from the Jets

    Ryan Fitzpatrick that is the normal starting Qb salary 8 million to 9 million. He wants above 9 million per year, and you almost have to let him leave.
     
  6. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    the only qb making 9 million a year is brady and his restructured "gift" for the pats. the next highest is foles at 12.5 and bradford at 13. only starters lower than 9 are playing on their rookie deals. now explain to me why fitz coming off the year he had is going to take 8-9 mil.
     
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  7. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    The market won't pay Ryan at his age anymore than 8 mil per.

    Feb 24 and still no deal. What gives?
     
  8. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    Thanks!
     
  9. HomeoftheJets

    HomeoftheJets Well-Known Member

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    I hope Macc knows what he's doing. He still has my benefit of the doubt.
     
  10. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    I think Fitz should resign.

    Or resign.

    Definitely one of those.

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  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    hopefully he has access to the overthecap.com cap calculator.
     
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  12. NYJetsO12

    NYJetsO12 Well-Known Member

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    I just saw article he is talking to Fitz reps at the combine. Mac looks like he needs a vacation already heh
     
  13. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Well thank the fucking Lord he STILL has the benefit of your doubt.

    I feel better already.

    It's like a warm blanky.

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  14. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    while he may not get a 5 year deal because of his age, he is getting more than 8. if he wsn't he would be signed right now. as it were, the entire nfl world is in indy and fitz's agents are learning exactly what he is worth.
     
  15. NCJetsfan

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    I don't think Fitz will cost $11 million, or at least he shouldn't. IMO there's no way the Jets should pay that much.

    We won't necessarily have a big need at RB heading into the draft if we don't re-sign Ivory. We can re-sign Powell, and sign another veteran FA (possibly Matt Forte or Joique Bell) cheaper than Ivory. Ivory will get overpaid and he's not worth it because he can't stay healthy for an entire season and he's not that good a receiver. Stacy's still on the roster as well, although I don't think he should be. Even if we don't sign another vet FA and don't keep Stacy, we won't necessarily have to invest a premier pick in a RB. That's a fallacy. We could get a very good RB in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th rounds. Only one RB will probably go in the 1st round, Ezekiel Elliott. According to CBS Sportsline, only 3 RBs look like sure-fire 2nd rounders at this point...Devontae Booker, Alex Collins and Derrick Henry. Kenneth Dixon and Jordan Howard are slated to go in the 2nd-3rd round range. Jonathan Williams is slated as a 3rd rounder. Kenyan Drake, Paul Perkins, and CJ Prosise are slated in the 3rd-4th round range. Things will change following the Combine and some will rise and some will probably drop. There is always a run on OTs, QBs, CBs, OLBs and sometimes ILBs early. There will be a good RB available to the Jets. I'd be happy with any of those RBs outside of Henry.

    Where did you get that we can "subtract 6 times 450,000 from that figure because they'll force players making that amount below the top 51 salaries"? I've never heard or seen anything to that extent. Are they sure that all 6 draft picks will earn less than $450k their first season?

    You can't "hope" that we can come up with a few extra million. You have to plan for that. It's a necessity that any competent GM will do.
     
  16. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I agree with your first statement wholeheartedly. I don't think there's any way we can or should just cut Brick. You're right that sacks aren't the "be all, end all" stat for an OL, but Brick gave up 40 hurries, which is pretty lousy. He was ranked in the bottom third of OTs in the NFL. That's not what you want.

    As for the bolded sentence, you're wrong. He was the third or fourth fastest in the NFL I believe. Someone posted the stats a couple of days ago. If memory serves me correctly it was only a few hundreds of a second less than the fastest.
     
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  17. NCJetsfan

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    He may not be willing to, and some other team desperate for a QB may pay more, but I say let them. I don't think the Jets should. For one thing, they can't afford it. For another, he will be 33 during the season, has problems staying healthy, and last year was a career year. He's only had one other year in his career even remotely approaching it. The odds of his having another like that are probably not that high. His arm isn't going to get any stronger. It's only going to get weaker and isn't an ideal fit for the NE winters. We got lucky with a warmer winter in 2015. What happens if November-December of this year is really cold and windy? Also, I don't think that his choke job vs Buffalo should just be dismissed and forgotten. Unless he signs with Denver, he probably would not have even remotely as good a year with anyone else. If he really wants to come back, then he should be willing to play for less to have a chance to win. He wouldn't even have the chance to get a bigger contract if it wasn't for the Jets giving him a chance last season anyway. Texas didn't want him back even though he had had a good season with them in 2014. I don't think the Jets had any competition for his services last year, either.
     
  18. Longsuffering88

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    Sign everyone back so we replicate missing the playoffs?

    I'm joking of course but I'm also making a point that we NEED to get better.


    We cannot sit here and suck each others d&&$s because we won 10 games on a weak schedule and STILL missed the playoffs.

    We have to really think bigger. We need to get better.


    Sorry if this sounds negative, I don't mean to dog you bro.
     
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  19. HomeoftheJets

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    To get better, we can hope first and foremost that another year under Bowles and co will result in better performance across the board. Good coaches have that kind of effect. Also, if we can field an average special teams and maintain the offense and defense we had, we should get in. IMO getting better in some areas only to lose part of your core and get worse there is generally not good.
     
  20. HomeoftheJets

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    I don't know about Joique Bell, but Spotrac says Forte is worth 7.4 million, which is way more than Ivory. As for the draft, any pick we use on a RB is one we can't use on a tackle or a pass rusher. Now that I can finally post links, here's the rookie pool explanation: http://overthecap.com/draft/

    I realize that we need to have a couple million dollars left over. If I were GM, the only way I would re-sign all those players is if I knew I could come up with the money. Since I'm not the GM, and I don't know what the negotiations are like, I can't say whether I would or wouldn't re-sign everyone.
     

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