It's a tough pill to swallow..but until the CS is convinced he's reached his peak of development...especially within 3 years..you have to have faith that he'll become a productive entity.
If we cut him this year, we still absorb the cap hit if there's a capped year next year. The only reason to cut Gholston is if he doesn't make the roster during camp. Our prospects for signing a replacement for him, as small as that may be, are severely dimmed by the F8P. If Ryan thinks he can get ANYTHING out of him, he'll still be here. His new money this season is 1.9 million, which is hardly untenable.
Gholston's already been paid more than 80% of his contract, in the first two years of a five year deal. Why not ride out what's left of his contract, or at least another year, before you cut bait. Calvin Pace didn't blossom until year ?4?, so maybe Gholston can get to be a serviceable LB for the ~$2 mill/year salary he'll be collecting. At least let him go through the off-season and training camp before deciding he's not gonna get any better. Cutting him early doesn't help us any.
Calvin Pace was not valuable until the Cardinals switched to a 3-4. Going by that logic, Gholston would have to switch to a 4-3, which means that Rex would have to be fired so the team could switch the defensive scheme. If that is the case, I really do not want to see Gholston succeed on the Jets.
In fairness, Rex's Ravens had success for a while running a 3-4/4-3 hybrid, but yeah, you're right. If we're changing the scheme for one guy, it sure as hell won't be Gholston.
The only system we should be considered changing is our offense to better suit our still developing QB.
Not really. The logic would be that some players take longer to develop into useful NFL players. I never came close to suggesting a change to our defense just to fit Gholston in. He's just not that expensive anymore and still has a ton of physical tools. I just don't see the benefit in cutting him now (unless someone tells me it clears a bad contract from any future cap years). Nor do I see the harm in holding on to him a little longer to see if anything clicks for him.
Pace started out in a 4-3 system and played horribly because he was not suited for it. Pace switched to a 3-4 system and excelled. Gholston plays terribly in a 3-4 system because he is not suited for it. ... Pace's biggest help was switching systems. It was not like he was sucking ass as a 3-4 OLB for 3 years and finally hit his stride. It took a completely new system for him to find his game. If you are going to compare Gholston to Pace, you have to take that into consideration. If you do not want to take that into consideration, you have to look for other players where time was the predominant factor. For Pace, the predominant factor was the new system.
I don't understand why you find the need to be so overly critical on something like this. I was simply trying to say some players take some time to hit their stride. That's it. No need to read so much into my mentioning of Pace as an example. Sheesh. I get the feeling you would of found something to dissect regardless of the player name I choose as an example.
I'm critical of it because you didn't think that logic was a necessary component of an argument. Next time just say in your posts that you didn't put any thought into them and I will gladly leave them be.
While I respect the hell out of Rex...there has to be something more to a comment like that then what Rex saw after the season of film. Unless it was the xrated version that was held back from us, the fans, I have no idea what Rex is talking about here. You cant trade him...you played with his mind last year by telling him he will be a beast under you..then allowed him to start the first 4 games although he did NOTHING to earn it. Again..have no clue for the reasoning...but it cant be what he saw on film..practice.
Bingo! I think Gholston has stunk up the joint as well. BUT, if Rex thinks there is reason to give this guy time, I'm going to go with his word.
Because we've already loaded a ton of cash into him and want to limit the number of holes on our roster as much as possible. I'm not suggesting he's worth the money; I'm suggesting that perhaps Rex thinks Gholston will be ready to at least provide more this season than a replacement we'll find. Again, there's ZERO harm in keeping him at least until training camp. It's not like he receives a roster bonus this season. Bring in some UDFA's and low priced cuts and let him earn the spot.
The fact is...Gholston's struggles on the field are severely overstated but that gets overlooked by an angry fan base who expected to see much more from him and has an odd obsession w/ prematurely tagging players as busts. Now he hasn't made any jaw dropping plays and he's far from dominant. But he also wasn't getting blown off the ball or missing huge assignments while on the field this past year. He did some decent "Unsung hero" type things including collapsing the pocket while rushing and sealing the edge on run D. All Rex is doing is recognizing that. And he's right. Although Gholston hasn't shown much he hasn't exactly been a liability on the field either. Some guys need an ample amount of snaps to work out the kinks and start being productive. Unfortunately Gholston hasn't been given that opportunity b/c there we are playoff contenders and have 2 guys(arguably 3) in front of him that are clearly better. I'm not suggesting he should be starting...and I'm just as dissapointed in his output as everyone else. But the fact is we've put alot of money and time into his development. Knowledgeable fans KNEW he was going to be a project. It's not unreasonable to think that giving him a few more meaningful snaps next year is worth a shot to at least get SOME perspective on his investment.
What actually has to happen is you need to learn the difference between an opinion and an argument. I never made an 'argument' that Gholston was going to follow Pace's exact career trajectory. Just like I didn't suggest we change our defense just for Gholston's benefit, another strange leap you made. I was simply stating that Gholston has great physical tools and may still have a chance to be a serviceable LB. Other players have started their careers poorly, then they improve. I made no arguments about the 'why'. I choose Pace because he's a player that all of us are familiar with. Let not dump Gholston yet, especially since I'm unaware of any significant benefit to it at this time. You totally missed the point and went on and on about something that has nothing to do with anything.
No, you put a completely uninformed, arbitrary statement with no thought behind it and I called you on it.
