Coples in this defense could be interesting. Personally, I am rooting for Kuechly or Upshaw at 16, but would love Coples, if he slips.
This is disingenuous. The Jets drafted Gholston and he busted in 2008. Had the guy panned out we wouldn't be having this discussion. Now that I have said this, your response will be that this would have been less of a problem if Tannenbaum didn't trade as many picks. Of course this is partially true, but the reality has been that trading those picks has been a plus to the Jets to bring quality starters in an effort to close the talent gap with the Patriots. You know as well as I do that the 26-28 teams without a franchise QB have to focus on closing the talent gap at other positions to compensate. The Jets have tried to do that the past 5 years in addition to aggressively attempting to fix the QB problem. You talk about the Steelers and the Patriots and GB all the time. Sorry, but it is pretty darn easy to be a GM in the NFL when you have a franchise QB covering most of your warts. You don't have to worry about chasing the QB position every year and have the luxury of developing through the draft without having to devote draft pick and free agency dollars to the most important position of football. Heck, GB hasn't had to worry about a QB problem in 20 F&*KING YEARS because they had Favre and then Rodgers. Take away Brady and the Patriots - at best after their 18-1 season - went 11-5 with the tail end of the dynasty's talent. Today, the Pats won't win 10 games without Brady. Seriously, I respect your opinion for the most part but this schtick gets old especially when you play loose and fast with the facts. If you want to play basement GM, tell me what you would do without Revis or Harris or Holmes or Cro or Sanchez, etc... If it's that easy, every year there are 31 teams looking for GMs because the incumbant failed. Oh and by the way, you don't get to do that in GB where there is nothing else going on and everyone loves the Packers, or in Pittsburgh where the Steelers are kings and have 6 rings to satisfy the fans. You get to do that in the media capital of the world competing with the Giants with a franchise that has basically sucked from 1969 through 1996.
If Coples fell to 16, I don't see a reason why we wouldn't take him. I think the only person who I would consider over him is Poe.
Poe is a DT and we already have our nose guard in Pouha. I dont think Poe could play DE. definite pass
Not a huge fan. He's no Mario Williams, I can't see him being a great 34 olb. I think his natural athletic ability is overstated.
those brandings look SERIOUS!! they stick out like 2 inches. ouchhh. Ive always wondered why dudes in the NFL have these brandings and apparently it something that fraternities do.
I don't think he is falling to us ..I didnt think he fit in a 3-4 ....I thought they were there for the Wr
Theyre called Que Dogs or some dumb shit theyre a black frat brand themselves with the omega symbol. I go to school in NC and see them all over. They wear purple like a gang and bark its gay
It's Omega Phi Psi, I think, but they are called "Q Dogs". We have a chapter at Alabama as well. Part of their initiation is to get branded. If it's any help, Shaq was part of that frat at LSU and apparently Michael Jordan was one at UNC as well.
That's 5 drafts ago now. Yeah the Gholston bust really hurt the Jets but they haven't resolved the need for a pass rusher in the last 4 off-seasons since the off-season they knew Gholston was busting in. I mean if Browning Nagle hadn't busted out in the early 90's it would have completely changed the Jets trajectory as well. The fact that he busted out existed though and by 1995 the reason the Jets sucked was not that Browning Nagle busted on them. The reason we're still having repercussions from the Gholston bust is that the Jets, like with ALL their high picks, refused to admit they'd made a mistake and move on and fix the problem. Gholston wasn't just here in 2009 as an obvious bust but he was here for the 2010 season. He was still on the roster a month and a half before the 2011 draft which was the 3rd draft after the one he was taken in. No it hasn't been a plus to the Jets to trade that number of picks. The only player they have acquired by trading picks who is better than his counterpart on the Patriots is Darrelle Revis. Everybody else has come in at the same level of play or less than their counterpart on the Patriots. The difference has been that the Patriots get those players plus other players to evaluate and all the Jets get is those players. The Jets strategy of trading draft picks to acquire current players has been a failure if you look at it from the standpoint of trying to catch up to the Patriots talent level. This is disingenuous. The Steelers won the 2005 Super Bowl with a great defense. Roethlisberger basically crapped his pants in the Super Bowl and the Steelers won anyway because they could run the ball and the Seahawks couldn't breach their defense. Again this is a disingenuous argument. The Jets have spent the same number of picks on QB's over the last decade as the Patriots. They've spent one more pick than the Packers but have drafted the same number of players. Go look it up if you don't believe me. The reason the Jets talent level is below those teams is that they have added fewer impact players through the draft than the Patriots and Packers. They have added far fewer depth and developmental players. You're talking one all-pro caliber player there and a bunch of good players. If that's the Jets definition of success then they are right where they ought to be, in the middle of the pack with all the other teams that have found one all-pro and a few good players over the last 5 years. Tell me where the Jets would be if they had found Ray Rice, Michael Oher, Ben Grubb, Marshall Yanda, Lardarius Webb, Joe Flacco and Torrey Smith over that span? The answer is near the top not mired in the middle.
Not going to quote the whole thing as it will get way too long. Look, the draft is full of coulda, woulda, shoulda haves for all the 32 teams. The Jets should have drafted Marino, they shouldn't have drafted Blair Thomas, etc. To assume that the Jets would get all those players listed above, is just that - an assumption that you can't make given the dynamics of the draft. Hindsight is wonderful and you never fail to bring a 12-pack of it to your posts. We can play the what-if game to everything. The Jets don't get Mangold if they don't trade Abraham (interesting you forgot to include that). The Jets don't get Revis if they don't trade up in 2007 nor do they get Harris - and the 2007 draft was considered to be a pretty bad year. Holmes for a 5th round pick? The guy won two games for us last year. Edwards for a 3rd/5th? Everyone around here was clamoring for him to come back and he was a hard working much improved receiver with great downfield blocking. Cro for a 2? Better than Lito Shepphard. Keller? Sanchez - Jets tried to make a difference at the QB position by swapping 1s, sending a 2nd rd pick and 3 spare parts. As for the comparison with the Patriots, I disagree with your assessment about the total talent. In fact this nonsense about their perfect drafts is just that - there are couple of years during the past 5 where there is no one left at that team from an entire draft year. Yes, draft picks allow you to get rid of mistakes earlier ala Gholston. But you tell me in a clear 5-man top deep draft and you are sitting at #6 in the pre-rookie salcap years, how you trade that pick? Good teams that are set at the QB position with a franchise QB have the luxury of not having to chase talent and can let it come to them in the draft. I don't care that the Patriots have used the same amount of picks on a QB as the Jets - they have a franchise QB and don't have to worry about missing on a mistake. The Jets are at least trying to fix the problem at the most important position in pro sports - you may be unhappy with the results but the effort is there.
