If we are building through the draft, trading two of our recent first rounders at the end of their rookie contracts would seem to be a move in the wrong direction. While both players underachieved last year they both did great the prior year and are among the most talented players on our roster. Clearly we would need our new position coaches to be able to squeeze more production out of them if we kept them. It seems that we would be selling low and getting little if anything should we trade these players now. Also, with Mo Wilkerson's nagging injury we might have a gaping hole at DE if we did trade Sheldon.
Both Richardson and Pryor are on the last year of their contracts, and i don't see us resigning them based on the combo of shit attitude and poor performance. we need to get that presence off the team, and this is the last chance to get a little value in return.
Maybe we need to get real coaches that can harness talent to produce. Neither player had that shit attitude as a rookie. We have so little talent on this team that we can not afford to throw it away just because it takes hard work to fix.
Yes and no ...I think you have an attitude problem to begin with and a HC can bring out the best OR worst in you. Look, I am hardly thrilled with TB but Sheldons antics with the kid in the car happened in Missouri prior to the season Pryor isn't any good imo and the loss of Sheldon for his attitude would hurt a lot more
IMO Sheldon will be traded for a conditional 4th round pick, and Pryor will end up playing in 2017 with the Jets. Cutting him would be a bad cap move, but after next season all bets are off if he plays as poorly as he did in 2016. He is a purely in the box safety and even that he doesn't do consistently. He's still young so I want to see him for another season before I cut ties with him.
Pryor is good... but like his rookie year he had to play out of position... First time was due to injuries/weak depth ... this time he had to play a bunch of deep coverage (not his cup of tea) because Revis and everyone else couldn't stop getting burned down field! We got to see the real Pryor and his potential in 2015.. People need to stop acting like the whole team didn't suck this year how can we single out a few guys? Their attitude stink because the team stinks and they just want to win.. no young player wants to see a good season like 2015 turn around to be a nightmare the next season. Todd Bowles should be blamed the most for ANY player on our defense not performing well because his play calling and preparation was just embarrassing.
Pryor has had three years and by now it's safe to say he's a total bust. He was actually getting replaced by Rontez Miles at points this season, and with reason. It's a crime to humanity that Idzik selected Pryor and Amaro in the first and second round in a draft that was as good as that one.
I may be in the minority (no pun intended), but I'm having a different vibe about SR. He's not an OLB and I think you'll see SR become James Farrior II when he gets to a team that uses him the right way. That is, on the dline instead of OLB. This CS is so fucked up that not only can they not develop young talent, they cannot even utilize the talent they already have correctly. Pryor in coverage? Wrong. Richardson playing OLB and not DE? Wrong. Forte instead of Powell? Marshall instead of Peake/Marshall?, Fitz not being cut immediately after his midseason meltdown? Not signing Snacks??? If there is a God in heaven, 2017 will see the end of this stupidity and ineptitude at Florham Pk. If not, we are truly "The Flying Dutchman" of the NFL.
THIS !!!! There is no accountability , it starts with clueless woody we all know that but the Coach who is clueless and Gm both answer to Woody.On top of that the Clueless coach makes all personal decisions regarding who plays on the field and where they play---see Richardson at Linebacker----also the Clueless coach runs a country club as I said there is no accountability, some players get reprimanded Im sure but then they see total lack of effort from the likes of Revis with no consequences . The coach allows guys to miss meetings and show up late and they get punished by sitting a series or a qtr ? The right coach could straighten out many of our problems but sadly we don't have "the right coach " and PS I am not so sure about Mike Mac , I think they are both unemployed in 2018
I don't think there's much of a chance that Bowles survives 2017. Macc otoh, needs to hit on this draft or he doesn't survive 2018. Now if Woody finds himself sipping tea and eating crumpets with the QoE, then each guy might get another mulligan since Woody lil bro, who probably knows even less about football than he does, will be the new shotcaller.
If Woody is made the Ambassador and his little brother takes over the operation of the team, wouldn't it be a pleasant surprise if he wound up knowing a lot more about football, or at least was realistic about his lack of knowledge and hired a football man to run the football operation? We can hope/dream, can't we? As Jets fans, that's all we have.
LOL Kudos to you for bringing the Flying Dutchman into this forum!!! Let's hope that we're not doomed to sailing the seven seas of the NFL wasteland for all eternity!!!
Oh I agree. I think Sheldon Richardson is a heck of a player, but right now I don't know if his head is all on football. I feel as if he's one bad move away off the field from a lengthy suspension and although I prefer him as a player to Wilkerson, he will be here for at least 1 more year. To your other point about our coaching staffs inability to put players in a position to succeed, I agree...Bowles has shown that not only does he suck at picking coaches, but he also sucks at using those players at the positions that they're best at. Which also plays into how are we supposed to judge Macc's picks when you don't have a CS that knows how to teach them or utilize them. 2017 will be very very telling. I don't believe Woody when he says there's no mandate to make the playoffs. Perhaps he wants to not publicly state it to make the environment pressure free, but anyone could see that if Todd Bowles coaches to another 5-11, he will be canned next season.
Knowing the Jets need a CB and OLB amongst others just wondering what people think of Trumaine Johnson (Rams cb) or Nick Parry (OLB Green Bay). From what I read they seem like they would be good signings for us. Not break the bank and come in and help us. Just wondering what others know about them and thoughts.
I can't agree about Pryor. He's a SS, and people are being harsh on him because he's played so much FS and struggled. Macc has his work cut out for him this year. He needs a good draft to strengthen this team. Maybe one day the Jets will actually draft that mythical FS position.
SS's actually do need to cover. I can't believe how many excuses there are for Pryor, as if the coaches are at fault for expecting a 1st round S to play any type of coverage. he's not a LB, and even if he were, he couldn't cover anyone. He also takes terrible angles leading to big plays, misses meetings, blames others for his shortcomings, has an inflated sense of self, and has lost his starting role in each of his 3 seasons, with 2 different coaches. Enough with the excuses. He wasn't worth a 1st round selection, which is all anyone is hanging onto at this point. Move on from sunk cost, and get the bad elements out of the locker room. People preach about accountability.....well shipping out Pryor is accountability and consequence.
Nick Perry could be a good mid-range signing that would really help. Johnson had a terrible season with the tag. not sure I'd drop huge money on him as it seems risky.
It's a moot point because the current coach of the team has proved that he cannot put a leash on Richardson at all. Pryor is salvageable because he doesn't have a huge list of priors. Richardson needs to be shipped away already. Enough is enough. Out of position or not, the guy had 1.5 sacks this year and openly expressed how much of a douchebag he is to have in the locker room. Git him outta here. We should've taken the second rounder when it was potentially on the table. The front office has massively overrated both Wilkerson and Richardson's values over the last couple years and we've ended up with one being extremely overpaid and underperforming while we'll be lucky to get a fourth for the other, when we likely could've had seconds for one or both of them. That was a combo effort by Maccagnan, and Idzik to wait for them to absolutely destroy their values before making the right decision in dealing one of them while simultaneously drafting the best one of them all in Leo.
