I think we can go really young on offense and basically start over in a sense. Cut ties with decker and marshall. we need a year or 2 to rebuild and Marshall is losing a step this year already. maybe we can keep decker but his injury throws up a huge question mark. at best he'll be ready for pre season next year. Fitz and geno are gone for sure. We can draft Leonard Fournette. we'll still keep forte and powell cause they are cheap but forte will have to split with Fournette and powell will be there in case 1 gets hurt basically. Start hack, petty stays as teh backup and get a veteran 3rd QB in the FA market. Keep ASJ and Bostick. get rid of davis. That puts our offense like this QB Hack, Petty WR1 Enunwa, Anderson, Peake WR2 J.Mashall, Smith RB Fournette, Forte, Powell TE ASJ, Bostick Everyone one of them is 24 or under except bostick (27) and Forte (30) That gives them a few years to grow in the offense. Fournette looks like a RB you can lean on to carry the load. Maybe we can just cut decker and keep marshall another year for a safety net for hack. On Defense I say harris has to go, we just drafted lee and lee is looking like a stud. henderson is a solid ILB as well and plus we barely use 4 LBers at the same time anymore. Jenkins, Lee, Henderosn, and Moulden are enough and we have solid depth. Revis is too costly to cut and we don't have much to cut elsewhere. I wouldn't get rid of Gilchrist, he was our leader with harris out. Skrine is reosnably priced and oen fo our best CBs. williams isn't making anything either neither is burris. Trade richardson for a 2nd rounder and use it on the secondary. I'm sure we can get that for him. maybe a conditional pick. where 10+ sacks makes it a 1st. 8-9 sacks for a 2nd, less then 8 for a 3rd rounder. O-line has been neglected for a while, mangold should stay as should carpenter, clady and winters. extend clady to save cap. cut breno and start qvale or ijalana. draft some lineman to groom as replacements and for depth. Our draft really needs to focus on o-line and offensive playmakers and maybe 1 CB or 2 in the mid rounds. I'd really like to see our top 3 pciks go to offense starting with Fournette
What makes you think that? His play has fallen off a cliff, the Jets are tight against the cap, and can save $7.3 million by cutting him.
Why would they want to cut ties with Decker? He has been a great Jet and would provide good veteran leadership for the Jets' young WR corps. The only reason I can see that they'd even think about cutting Decker is if they really needed the cap space, made the decision to go with a youth movement, and thought that Enunwa, Peake, Robinson, Smith and J. Marshall could handle things adequately. I wouldn't be surprised if B. Marshall retires after this season, but if doesn't, then I think he'd be the more likely one to get cut, as he would give the Jets $7.5 million in cap space vs. only $5.75 million for Decker, and Decker is the more reliable of the two. He doesn't frequently drop passes as B. Marshall does. The Jets have too many glaring needs to draft a RB in the first round, even as good as Fournette is. Petty is much more ready than Hack, is more accurate and is the more likely of the two to be ready to start next season. The Jets should make no more decisions a season ahead who there starting QB will be. Have you learned nothing with Fitz? I do agree that they should go with youth on offense. Don't forget that they signed Troymaine Pope off the Seahawks PS. They need to add a bigger back that is more of a power back, but they could easily be able to get one in the 3rd or 4th round. I agree that Breno should go, and that Mangold and Clady should stay (if Clady agrees to a renegotiated, cheaper contract), but imo they need to draft a new RT. Ijalana and Qvale have been decent this year, but the Jets need an upgrade at RT. IMO those two are better depth than starters. On D, I'd be willing to bet that either the 1st or 2nd round pick will be used on a CB or stud pass-rushing OLB prospect. They may even look to replace Gilchrist at FS, and may cut Revis to gain cap space. Harris is probably gone, so they will probably need another ILB as well. At any rate they have too many glaring needs to even think about taking Fournette.
I had no idea Decker needed surgery on his hip too, what the hell? I saw on TV that he could miss the start of the 2017 season. Jesus Christ!
How does this dude look? I mean, Kerry Coombs dude from Ohio State. he is the DB coach there - and Ohio is boasting a phenomenal DBs this year. If he can do that kind of work with college kids - he SHOULD be able to do more with NFL pros, no?
I'm ok with letting TB ... Breno, Marshall, Decker, Gilchrist, and Revis go next off-season we need a resurrection in here and it starts from the top on down ... I'll take Harris back on a vet minimum type deal ... hoping Clady signs long term and gives us some cap relief ... that would create 40 mil in space. I'm ok with keeping Sheldon unless we could get a top end draft pick for him (highly unlikely)
Revis,Mangold,Marshall,Decker,Forte,Giacomini,Winters,Davis,Harris &Sheldon...all gone. We need winners...not the same old bullshit.
I really like decker. great player and great locker room guy. but he's 30 we need cap room, he might not even be ready to start the season next year. by the time we can compete again he'll be 32 or 33 and past his prime. We need more youth, speed, and playmakers on offense. everything comes hard for us. We don't get big plays like other teams seem to get. look at julio, ODB, brown, AJ green those guys make big plays for their teams. I want to see if any of our young guys can do that. We already know that isn't Marshall or deckers strong suit. When was the last time we drafted an offensive playmaker high in the 1st round? I think it was santana moss. All our high first rounders have been defense. wilk, richardson, williams, milliner, lee, wilson. we need to draft some offensive playmakers. The jets have one of the oldest offenses right now. fitz, marshall, forte, decker all 30+ years old. We drafted 3 Lbers already that are young. Moulden, Jenkins, and Lee. plus henderson is still a solid player with a few years left. I cna't see us going with a LBer CB is a possibility but I really want Fournette. he can carry the offense and relieve pressure on the QB. We haven't had a RB like that since martin.
Carpenter is the only lineman coming back, and ive worn a Nick Mangold Jersey for the last 10 years. Clady has shown nothing this year. The entire o-line has played bad, we can't run the ball. I would not bring back Forte. I'd draft a kid, and tandem him with powell. WRs Marshall, and Decker will come back. TE, need an upgrade there. QB, next year will be Bryce, Hack-dog, and probably a journayman vet, like Cutler, all competing for the number 1. DL - I think they try and move Wilkerson/Sheldon again. Honestly I really like the kid from aTm (myles jack) play some 4-3 and end this madness of Sheldon Richardson as a 310 pound standup 3-4 OLB/DE. LBs Harris gone, Mauldin gone, leaves you with Lee, Jenkins and ____. Secondary, SS Pryor still under contract, honestly I would move him to that other 4-3 LB spot. That gives bowles flexability, he looks slow, and is a box player. I think he can be strong enough to move to OLB in a 4-3. So that leaves you with a hole at SS. Skrine has to move back to the slot, he cannot be left on the outside. Revis is not going anywhere on the otherside of the ball due to his contract. FS, I have no problem Gilchrest there. He can play centerfield. Really the biggest problem we have aside from QB, is the oline. Really subpar here, and I was a former fatty in college, and I don't care who the QB is, if you don't have a good Oline youre not doing anything, even on both sides of the ball. O line controls the clock, makes the runningback better, makes the QB more confident, keeps the defense fresher and off the field, and can demoralize the other team, with calling out the plays and executing them, even when the defense knows whats coming.
why does everyone want to dump decker and marshall. if we are going to let petty and hack compete for the starting job we should want both of them to give the young guys some really good,professional wrs.
Richardson is an idiot. He is also playing linebacker and getting nothing done. Guy is a talented DL but he is deranged. So I think we are stuck with him. His trade value, with his baggage and what he has not been able to do ont he field last year and this, is nil. Mo plays hard when he wants to. He won't absolutlely have to for about 3 years, though. Good luck with that. We need some speed on the outside. At HB and at WR. Tight end? Team is actually a bit of a mess. Our youngest OLs are not very good. QB is a blue haze. We stil lhave to see about Lee and Jenkins. Outlook: dismal.
I want to keep Marshall. Decker on the other hand has a high cap figure and just had hip surgery. With young guys like Enuwa and Peake playing well I got one roster spot for either Marshall or Decker next year if I am GM. Right now Marshall looks like a better deal.
if healthy, I have room for both of them. decker can easily be restructured if need be, no guaranteed money in 2017, and I want the best possible wrs around these young qbs.
Yeah it pissed me off to no end. Thats why I don't see the point of keeping him if he's going to miss a chunk of 2017. His cap hit will be close to $10 million, which will be more than Marshalls. Plus, I'd like us to not have to replace both starting WRs in one year so I'd rather keep Marshall one more year.
Marshall's cap figure ($7.5 million) is higher than Decker's ($5.75 million). Marshall is definitely the better WR, but he also drops a lot more passes than Decker. The other issue is what kind of player will Decker be following hip surgery and rotator cuff surgery, and when will he be available. I definitely think the Jets should keep one, but not both. Even if they wanted to, I don't think they could afford it cap-wise.
We should keep both at least for next year. Unfortunately, Decker could miss some time. He can't have his shoulder operated on until he no longer needs crutches from the hip...
I disagree with a number of things in your post. We don't have 4-3 DEs, which are among the most important positions in that alignment, and we've been playing it quite a bit this year with little positive results, so I can't see us moving to a 4-3, nor do I think we should. Winters will be back, as will Ijalana, Qvale, Johnson, and Shell. Unless Mangold retires, he will be back. Clady may be back as well. They've done fairly well in pass protection, but not in the rushing attack. I agree that we definitely need to seriously upgrade the OL, but can't see any way that we replace 4 starters next season. We don't have enough draft picks or cap space. The Jets are already over the cap. If they don't bring Forte back, I think they take a sizable dead money hit on the cap. I wasn't in favor of signing him, and he isn't fast, but I think the Jets have misused him and he's been a victim of poor blocking. Mauldin is still on his rookie deal and is going nowhere. He's been a disappointment, but if nothing else will be depth for a year. They have too many other holes to address to start creating more holes unnecessarily. I disagree with your assertion that the OL is the 2nd biggest problem. IMO that's the secondary, with the OL a close 3rd. Playing Pryor as a 4-3 LB sounds interesting and possibly would be a good move, if we had the other pieces for a 4-3. I don't think Revis will be back. He's not gonna take a pay cut, the Jets need cap space, and they can gain $7.333 million by cutting him. Gilchrist has not done a good job calling the D or in coverage. He needs to go. He can give the Jets a good bit of cap space as well. Skrine definitely needs to go back to the slot.
