I heard Rex doesn't even like drafting CB's or DL's because he prefers to develop that talent with UDFA's.
I disagree completely. There are no guarantees in life. Leaving your house in the morning to go to work requires some risk. Sticking with something that isn't working the way it should out of fear that things could get worse fits one of the definitions of insanity (keep doing things the same way and expecting a different result). It takes courage and a willingness to risk failing to aspire to greatness. Anyone can take the "safe" route, but nothing great or no one ever achieved greatness taking the safe route. I've seen enough mediocrity from the Jets to last several lifetimes. I want the Jets to be one of those teams that perennially wins its division and goes 12-4, 13-3, 11-5, and/or 14-2. That will never happen with Rex as HC. Never. He can't even beat Baltimore. He folds up and goes into a shell. He's a paper tiger. If Rex stays, I hope that you and the others that want to keep Rex out of fear that things could get worse if he was fired, enjoy the mediocrity and continual inconsistency and frustration that you're bound to experience.
the fact that the next guy MAY or MAY NOT be as good or better than the current guy is NOT a reason to keep the current guy. if the front office determines that rex is NOT the guy to lead the team to championships then there is NO LET ME SAY IT AGAIN, NO reason to keep him. regardless of what hte next guy does. that is another subject and has its entirely own conversation. this conversation is about whether rex is the guy or not. everytime i hear well who are you going to replace him with i want to punch mike francessers kid in the face, thats not MY FUCKING JOB, thats the decision we have an owner and more importantly a general manager to make. its a complete fucking cop out answer, it doesnt matter what or who the next guy is, it only matters that the current guy is not the fucking guy.
You're right, I named a bunch of coaches who have stayed with a franchise and experienced success. You realize only 7 active head coaches in the NFL have won a Super Bowl out of 32 right? Only 18 out of 32 NFL franchises have won the big game, and 4 teams have never even been there. People act like every head coach that hasn't won one is trash.
can I ask you this - do you think another coach would have had more success over the last 5 years with this roster? if so, who? name me a coach with a bottom tier QB that is doing well (other than, perhaps, Andy Reid this year with the Chiefs - though Alex Smith is mid-tier really rather than a top quartile player)
You think every team but the Patriots, & any team Peyton Manning is on, don't want these things too? Even the Saints, Steelers, Packers, Bengals, Bears, etc. struggle to win double digit games each year. And the other teams that are dominating out west are built on running & defense. If you don't happen to have a Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, or Aaron Rodgers you need to build the team around defense and running the ball. Until we win the QB lottery like the Colts, or find a quarterback that can absolutely ball, then you gotta stick to what works.
so you are suggesting firing someone out of frustration, and then hiring a completely different style of coach, and pulling a complete 180 with the team. talk about perpetuating a lack of identity and philosophy.. considering we play in the northeast, and do not/have not had a top flight QB: we need to play good defense, control the LOS, win the TO battle, and play physical in the elements and cold. also considering we have the Patriots in our division, and the formula to beating Brady is disrupting his timing, and knocking him on his ass until he throws a tantrum, you better be able to apply pressure to the QB. How does firing Ryan, and hiring an offensive HC, improve this formula? If you think the formula itself is wrong....well its worked well recently for the Seahawks, 49ers, Ravens, and Steelers. But what eventually got those teams very competitive was finally finding improved QB play..
We all know this. That means, THEY, and most of all, the fucking GENERAL MANAGER must have known this. So what did he do to remedy the situation? Yes. Trade the picks away. Nice fucking job right there. And that's on Rex Ryan, am I correct?
I'm suggesting firing someone because they aren't getting results. If you think Rex is running a defense anywhere near as good as the Seahawks, 49ers or Ravens you aren't paying attention. Dealing with incompetence of offense is only palatable for so long. It becomes intolerable when the defense isn't good either. Obviously we need a complete rebuild on offense. Do you honestly think Rex is the best guy to oversee an offensive rebuild? Do you think that's even a good idea? I think not. Do you really think we can't find someone else to call the defense? It's not like we don't have a bunch of talent on defense.
do you really think that the coach can influence the talent on either side of the ball to that great a degree that if we brought in an offensively minded coach we would suddenly get a top tier QB and everything that goes with it? it all comes down to the QB in this league (sadly for us) look at the Colts after Manning went down, look at the packers with Rodgers and without him - its the same coaches - all the other players are the same - its just the QB that is different but that is nearly all that matters - somehow allow the Jets for once to get lucky with a QB and most of these issues go away.
Maybe I'm way off base but I imagine that NFL teams are run in such a way that the players are selected with the coaches vision in mind. That's not to say that the coaches are making the picks but I think that they certainly have a big influence as to what types of players are more valuable to them then others. My simple mind believes that a head coach should be able to identify what types of players his team needs (on both sides of the ball) to improve. I don't think Rex really has much of an idea as to what will improve his offense. I think he's probably pretty good at doing that on the defensive side though and I think that leads to him overvaluing defensive players and undervaluing and possibly even not understanding the value of offensive players. So while I'm sure he gets that he needs to improve the offense, I'm not sure he knows how to properly value offensive players. I don't think NFL organizations build their draft boards without a heavy influence from the head coach.
So you think Rex is specifically asking for shitty QBs and terrible tight ends and mediocre receivers and three-fifths of an offensive line?
Agreed completely. I dont understand how someone can truly think otherwise. For instance, look at the Bears. They hired a great offensive coach in Mark Trestman, and that offense is now creating great results- even with a backup QB in. They went from a team built around the defense with Lovie Smith, to one of the most explosive offenses in the league with 3 different 1000+ yard players. Granted, they did have a good amount of the talent before Trestman arrived, but the philosophy changed, and so has the production. Also, he completely rebuilt that offensive line, which is a massive reason for their turn around.
And they're giving up a disgusting 152.4 yards per game on the grant at 5.2 yards per clip. It doesn't matter how many yards their offense can rack up when teams are going to control the clock and gut them all day. High powered passing offenses with a turnover prone quarterback is a poor formula in a cold windy stadium. Watch them get bounced by one of the wild card teams whether it be the Panthers or 9ers by having the ball jammed down their throat.
Your entire premise is wrong: You think: "Our offense is bad because we don't have a QB" Reality: "we do not have a QB because of the way Rex handles the offense and develops the QB". His ultra conservative, actually timid game plans on offense are the reason the offense is so bad, and puts the QB in a horrible situation to succeed. One only need to look at Alex Smith who was derided as much as Geno and Sanchez and then what he became when he was coached by offensive minds in Harbaugh and Reid. The reality is that if you gave Rex a better QB the offense would still suck, because he won't let the offense play. But give Geno or maybe even Sanchez to a decent OC or HC unfetered by Rex and we would likely have an average offense. Rex is the problem, not QB
Do you not realize this is now a passing league? The ground and pound stuff is over. You need a legit offense to win in this league now. There will be a few exceptions here and there (Seahawks) but the rules favor the offense so much now you cant play the same style of defense that teams used to. The few and far between teams youre talking about arent going to be successful unless they put up a top 3 defense together and have a consistent quarterback. Something this team hasnt had in years....
You do realize that 7 of the top 10 total defenses in the league have at least 8 wins or more? Only one has less than 9. 10 out of the top 15 rushing teams are in the hunt, with 6 almost surely being playoff teams? The whole passing league mantra is all good and well, if you have a player that can execute it, and take the team on his shoulders (Tom Brady), if you're team is devoid of offensive talent as badly as the Jets team is. How can you blame Rex for trying to build this team around defense and running the ball with young quarterbacks who give him barely any production? This league isn't about passing, or offense, or running the ball, or defense. It's about adapting and balance. Fire the guy for trying to win with the pieces he was given. Stop using cliches and categorizing the league as any type. Of course it's more pass oriented but defense doesn't get thrown out the window.
