Having a top defense obviously helps win games. We have Rex and no top defense. As for the rushing yards ... teams who are winning games run the ball more.
You seem very emotional, passionate and very frustrated about the present state of the team, so I will excuse the ridiculous absolutes about Rex will never this and continual blah. If you take a step back, you will realize, that's it's as silly fans after year 2 of the Rex regime thinking we will be at the AFCCG from here on out. The truth is I'm on the fence with regards to firing Rex; I understand both sides. IMO the whole Snoopy Bowl thing was a fireable offense. At the same time, the fact that he managed to squeeze 6 wins and possibly more out of this roster is commendable. I also appreciate how much his players love him and play for him. That said; if he were to be fired, I would not shed a tear. I would just hope it would not be a some other schmuck keeping the seat warm for 2-3 years until the next schmuck. If we are going to replace him, let's make sure it's for someone that's going to be here for the long term. So what you call safe, I consider pragmatic. What you call courageous, one might consider impatient or reckless. If firing a coach that showed some promise at the first sign of trouble takes courage, then this organization has it by the boat loads. We've been hiring and firing coaches every 2-5 years since I been a fan. We've mastered the art. Starting over every few years is just as frustrating IMO as missing the playoffs for 2-3 year. At this point, courage would be trying something different like sticking with a coach through a tough stretch and maintaining some continuity. One of the names I often hear as a replacement is Bill Cowher. This is a guy who had some good teams that blew some brutal and had himself a 3 year skid of missing the playoffs before finally winning it all 14 years later. I wonder if NY would have had the same patience w/ Cowher as PIT. I think we all know that would be very unlikely in NY. Lastly, in this day an age the teams perennially winning 10+ games a year have a lot more to do with QB play than HC.
Arguably the two best teams in the league (Seahawks and 49ers) are ground and pound. And three of the seven legit SB contenders (Panthers - to go along with the passing Patriots, Broncos, Saints) are ground and pound while another (Chiefs) is essentially a running team if you count passes to its backs behind the line of scrimmage as its run game. Is it unbelievably advantageous to have a Pro Bowl QB? Yes. Is it as cut and dry as you'd suggest that a ground and pound team can't be a Super Bowl contender? No.
Pure nonsense. Worst thread of the year. We've just been unlucky with bad QB choices. The jury's still out on Geno, but seriously, the problem has been QB since Rex first arrived. Rex got this team over achieving based on the talent here. Ya'll expected the offense to light it up with a rookie QB and injuries all over the place? Our roster was decimated this year and last year. Rex haters are going to be really disappointed when he stays, but ya'll will be happy down the road.
Are you basing this on the final box score stat sheet....... or seeing that the 2nd rd rookie QB is continually giving field position or points away to the other team?
would you care to list the tenure of head coaches of the NYJ post Weeb to display the greatness this team has achieved by taking risks?
I could be wrong, of course, but based on what I've seen from Rex, I'm convinced that the team never will win anything as long as he is HC. We are in agreement that the Snoopy Bowl was a fireable offense. So, imo, was his admittedly losing the team two years in a row. I think the team winning 6 games so far this year has a lot to do with the talent on the DL and with the Jets finally having a competent OC. Rex has a hand in it for sure, but he's also had a hand in their abysmal play since the BYE. He admitted that he overstressed being careful with the ball to Geno and basically shut down the aggressive play of the offense, and created the horrible offensive production during that stretch. That is typical Rex. We've seen it every year of his coaching tenure with the Jets and with all 3 OCs. We've seen him get passive and settle for FGs rather than trying to score a TD and win. He hasn't learned from those mistakes at all. He also hasn't improved in clock management, challenges, etc., and imo in order to keep his job, a rookie HC needs to show progress from year to year, clearly demonstrating that he has learned from his mistakes and is getting better. We haven't seen that from Rex. Nobody wants a schmuck as HC. Someone might consider firing Rex as being impatient or reckless, but I think they'd be wrong. Rex has had five years and hasn't improved or learned in some of the very basic aspects of coaching. He is absolutely clueless about offense, and I think handicaps and has a negative effect on his offense and QBs. How long is one supposed to wait for him to learn? If nothing else, after figuring out what offenses were doing all these years and how to stop them, one would think that he would have learned what is important offensively, but he hasn't. I have looked at all the facts, considered the words from Rex's own mouth, his continuing to do the same things, and seen the results. Saying that Rex should be fired is hardly a reckless decision. It's one thing if the HC is a complete victim of circumstances (injuries, retirements, players leave in FA and he has an incompetent GM). It's quite another when he has helped create the problems that are there. It's also quite another when he doesn't know how to fix the team's problems. Just as throwing a new coach at a team's problems isn't always the answer, throwing new players at a team's problems isn't always the answer either. Sometimes, the problems stem from the philosophies and approach of the HC. This isn't his first sign of trouble, either. As for Jets history, yes we've had too much change, but that isn't the cause of the problem, but rather the effect. The cause for all that change and lousy drafting, coaching and play, is that first Leon Hess and now Woody Johnson are clueless doofuses when it comes to football. Until Parcells, Hess never hired a competent football man to run the team. He also didn't really care if the team won or not. Woody at least seems to care, and has tried to do a better job than Hess with the team. There's some hope for him in the way he went about looking for the GM, but much of that was undermined by his refusing to fire Rex last year, and quite likely cost the team a GM who is a better personnel man, and could have done a better job than Idzik in fixing things this year and going forward. If Hess had hired a quality football man as Team President when he bought the team, and he in turn had hired a quality GM, then the Jets' history would be very different. Consistency doesn't bring quality. Consistency is a result of quality work and a quality approach. In addition, even when changes were made in the HC position, things didn't have to get totally blown up. He could have hired a candidate who would have kept the systems the same, but I don't think he ever did. The consistency we ALL want will come, when the right framework is in place within the Jets organization, and imo not before. It starts at the top. Woody needs to get rid of the Marketing/Real Estate Team President, and hire an experience football man, and then step back and allow that man to run the team. Let him hire the GM, and the GM in turn hire the HC and the personnel people.
The team didn't take "risks" post Weeb because Hess was a clueless moron and really didn't care if the team won or lost. He just made a series of bad hires. Keeping any one of the incompetent hacks he hired as GMs and HCs for a long period would not have made anything any better. It would have just been a longer period of suckiness under one person rather than under several. But you know that.
A lot of OLD talent..... and during that brief window the JETS were the most successful they've been in 30 years (sadly). This isn't like Herm walking onto a team that had 4 1st rd picks + Coles (who would've been 5 if he behaved in College) the year before he got there....... then a good draft when he came onto the job (Bradway's only real good one) They had talent because Tanny mortgaged the future by trading up for players (granted 1 excellent one), drafting some shitty ones (possibly the worst in JETS history 2008) then trading picks for veteran players or at the end of contracts (Jenkins, Edwards, Holmes) That temporarily made a stacked team sans the most important position on the field..... that fell apart & missed their window before they had a real threat at QB....... now all those old high paid guys are making their way to pasture and the JETS are starting from scratch again. I will say that talent evaluation is definitely one of Rex's weak points, but some of the stuff on here is ridiculous
Definitely valid....... but it also shows that turnover for the sake of turnover does not mean success.
This is the truth. And yea, it's Rex's fault he didn't go get a decent QB because they all grow on trees. Also, anybody saying having a dominant defense is overrated is wrong. Once it comes playoff team you'd be singing a different tune. You need a defense to go deep in the playoffs.
Rex won his first two years because of the talent on offense was good enough to get it done.Year 3,4,5 we were in the hunt till the end until bad QB play and poor offensive weapons and the fact that Mr.T let to many players walk.The roster hasnt been the same since.We wont win with anyone with this group on offense because its not a NFL calibar offense
No one said it does. That would be dumb. You only make change if you think there is a problem with the leadership, and by making a change you think you can make things better.
Well we dont have a dominant defense. And we dont have a decent QB. So there's that. Also, some of you dont grasp the fact that Rex's hands are all over this team. The offensive play is most definitely partially on Rex. This team simply hasnt put enough resources into the offense, and when it has, its been to spend 10 mil a year on his guy at WR. Its certainly no coincidence that we have spent 5 of our last 1st round picks on the defensive side, and the closest we have done to add a playmaker is draft the amazing Stephen Hill. This team isnt going anywhere unless this offense is rebuilt. I do not have any faith that Rex can lead this team to that.
God. Man. The amount of Rex apologists in here is incredible. He's gone folks. In fact I am already calling him our former coach.
Yeah, I can't figure out why so many are trying to polish this turd. I believe Idzik will make the right decision.
I'm basing on watching our defense get picked apart on a regular basis and then looking at the stats to confirm. I suppose you watch our defense and think "wow, this defense is great!" Sorry - take off the green glasses if you think our defense is anything to write home about.
Surrounding any QB, especially a rookie or average QB, with the talent to succeed is key. This offense is not built to win no matter who's under center.
