Zach's highest value was in the preseason where he got a bunch of hype on hard knocks that he has learned from the great Aaron Rodgers we could of atleast gotten a 4th if not a 3rd like San fran did, now we can't even get a 7th for him.
The true root cause is that we haven't had a capable QB with potential since Chad (at least for a little bit). We've had a few stop gap guys that gave us some good years (Farve, Fitz, & McCown) but none of the rookies we've drafted have amounted to anything so far. I guess other than Geno but it took him a decade to get there. Solve the billion dollar riddle at QB and it won't matter that much who the owner, HC, OC, etc. are.
I disagree. We have a better defense and skill guys than the Chiefs. They obviously crush us at OL though. The Chiefs roster is very top heavy IMO. Obviously Kelce, Jones, Thuney, and Humphrey are elite but the roster gets pretty meh after them. Just to be clear, this is not me saying that the Chiefs have a bad roster. There's a reason they've been AFC favorites for the past few years though and that primarily starts with Mahomes.
I agree with some of what you said. I don't think Douglas's problem is that he's too risk-averse; trading for Rodgers was a pretty bold move. I think his problem is he falls in love with guys and is incapable of admitting that he could be wrong about them. Good GMs like John Lynch aren't like that; when they screw up on a pick like Trey Lance, they get someone better and move on. Even some of Douglas's draft picks make a lot more sense when you realize that he just fell in love with the guy. Becton's size and strength, Zach's off-platform throws, whatever he saw in Will McDonald that made him want McDonald so bad (and I wouldn't be surprised if he really would have taken McDonald over a first-round OT). Regarding last year's draft, he gets an A on that one for sure. Got three legit stars in Sauce, Wilson, and Hall. But his first two drafts were an F and a D, and this year's draft though it's very early looks like it's going to be another bad one. I don't think Mike White was the answer; he's better than Zach in that he can sometimes have great games, but he can also have really bad ones, and that's not acceptable for a starter. He also has no mobility and has a track record of getting injured, which is not good behind this OL. But we need to bring someone else in who can give this team a chance and not ruin the development of the other guys on the team. At this rate, when Rodgers returns next year, he'll be returning to a locker room in tatters.
Fair points. Though I believe Rodgers was more of Woody Johnson move than JD. Now, Mike White was the answer for us as clear stopgap QB you can inject at anytime to win you games – like right now. Zach Wilson is a project, and it's not fair for the fanbase to put its hope on another year of this kid trying to figure it out. It's painful to watch as a product. Mike White should be on this team as the #2, and Zach #3 (maybe or traded). We had the cap space for this even with Rodgers. It was the proper thing to do by any discernible football eye. You keep good players and move bad ones. It's normally that simple in sports. Mike White is good as you can get as a #2 QB for most teams. Mike White could have been a long-term back up for the Jets, while the FO drafted QBs left and right to finally fix this problem. btw. Zach Wilson has missed 11 games so far due to injuries.
JD has not only made some awful decisions in drafting Zach Wilson and signing Laken Tomlinson but he has doubled down on these choices and forced our coaching staff to keep these players starting games when they should be riding the bench. Mike White outperformed Zach two years ago and it wasn't until the second half of last season that he got to start. Even though White was the better QB last year JD let a division rival grab him to save a few bucks on the salary cap and once again gambled on Zach to back up Rodgers instead of keeping White or signing a legit backup. Laken Tomlinson played so badly that we would probably been smart to cut him loose this summer and take the cap hit rather than paying his salary this year and digging ourselves in deeper. With Tomlinson's salary this year our coaches are pressured to keep him in the starting lineup to help JD try to save face and keep his job. By some miracle Becton and Brown are both healthy but given their injury history JD has to be a special kind or retard to think that future cap space is more important than going into the season without bringing in someone else that might be able to protect our QB on the outside. Our scouts helped JD with an amazing draft last year but it seems that the talent of these young players on rookie contracts is being squandered by our inept GM. Saleh seems to be well liked and knows a thing or two about defense but is getting badly outcoached, fails to make or account for half time adjustments, and seems to have no control over his horrible offenses.
The root cause is the dumbfuck Johnsons. Shit always starts at the top and rolls downhill. They have large egos that want to be stroked and they want to be in the media spotlight even though they look and act like a bunch of pocket protecting, affected, trust fund nerds. They need to find an architect with proven experience and success who can build the franchise from the ground up. Whether it's a VP of Player Personnel or a GM they need a proven guy who knows offensive football and QB's and can execute his vision for selecting and developing players to build a long term winning foundation here. Enough with these one year gimmicks. Build the thing the right way and you can have lots of years of better football. Instead of this nonstop up and down roller coaster ride which is the current franchise. This is why the Jets are in their current situation. They don't have one person in the building with a track record of being a successful offensive mind in the NFL (Rodgers doesn't count). Scour the fucking planet, Johnsons. Find that guy and get out of his fucking way and let him build this foundation.
I don't disagree with that at all, the Chiefs D is a very solid unit. I'd say they're slightly above average, 10-15ish range. Probably closer to 10-12 range to be honest. Again, I want to be clear, my comment was not meant to be taken as I think the Chiefs have a bad team. They have a good team that is somewhat top heavy but also have probably the best player in the league at the most important position in football. That goes a long way.
Root cause for me is this is an unlucky franchise - snake bitten if you like - they've never struck gold at the QB position and that's a cornerstone of pretty much any successful franchise - no-one knows whose going to be great and so its just a case of being lucky (mixed with not doing what the Jets always seem to do which is reach for guys they think have unlimited potential but little evidence of it at the point they enter the draft (Sanchez, Darnold, Wilson). If you look at the last decade then the only team to have lost more games than the Jets over that time frame is the Jaguars (Jets are tied for second worst with the Browns), and they seem to have turned a corner mainly because they got the QB that should've landed to the Jets but they were too stupid/unlucky to grab him.
I wouldn't say it's the root cause, but a product of the root cause: a "Defense wins championships" mentality that prevent them from being able to build a modern NFL offense and finding and developing a FQB. Even Ken O'Brien - a QB from a whole different era and style of play - who was damn good, was never developed to achieve his full potential because he was allowed to be brutalized by the pass rush he consistently faced. Pennington is a stretch, above average and very smart, but nowhere near the physical ability that a true FQB has to have, and then he too got hurt. I thought hiring Douglas was a smart move, and frankly I haven't entirely given up on him yet - more because I don't want another fucking rebuild - but when he hired Saleh, ANOTHER FUCKING DC!, I began to have a sick feeling in my stomach. But Saleh seemed very bright and very engaged with his players - the complete opposite of the GENIUS - that I head a little hope. But no, he's too inexperienced, especially with regards offense, and is often outcoached by better coaches. What McCarthy did him Sunday was embarrassing. Douglas could have - SHOULD have - hired Daboll, or at least some other coach with offensive credentials, but he didn't and so here we are again. Wasted two years of a highly rated rookie QB's development, and perhaps even now too late to fix that. Until this franchise rids itself of the "Defense wins championships" philosophy they hold onto, they're doomed to failure. And the maddening irony is that this is a team that was born out of the high octane offense of the old AFL, and was named the "Jets" to embrace that philosophy. But after Weeb and Namath left, for whatever reason they tried to copy the old NFL of "Defense wins championships", even though they proved that wasn't the case, and eventually the rest of the NFL came to understand that also...except the Jets. As good as the Jets defense is, we all saw what happened to them against a good offense, and it will always happen. They might keep things close for a while, but eventually they wear down, and then it's game over. Here's the bottom line: "It's the OFFENSE stupid!" Invest in it, beginning with the OL. Invest every possible resource in finding and identifying the best QB you can get and then build an offense scheme around him, don't force him toe adopt a scheme that may or may not suit his strengths. This really isn't rocket science, but for the Jets apparently it is, which is why they continue to crash and burn.
The issue is the 40 year old QB coming off an Achilles injury. If Rodgers is playing next year he’s coaching the team anyway. They may as well just leave Saleh and Hackett in place and if it fails you just blow it all up and start over again.
I am not as much in the camp of needing an offensive minded head coach as you are. They just need a guy who can lead the team and hire a competent staff. Saleh is all talk no substance. He never has his team prepared to play because he and his staff aren’t very good at game planning.
Letting Mike White go was madness. I mean… firstly, he came in and threw for 400 yards and 3 TDs against the team that made the Super Bowl. Then, a year later, he comes in and throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs in his first start. He might be inconsistent, but to have a BACKUP quarterback who can do that is gold. And it was so easy! Give him a 4 year deal, backup quarterback is sorted and - when Rodgers retires - he can compete with a young draft pick. You can even backload the deal so it’s cheap as chips. instead, here we are.
Again here we are with Mike White. Yes, he is a statue who capable of having a great game when he is not worried about getting hit. But how did that story end with our oline? He got folded in half and when he came back and actually was worried about getting hit, he looked every bit as bad as Zach, maybe even worse. I liked Mike White, I thought he could become our version of Cousins. I agree he played really well several times. But he can't protect himself and when he tries to, with lack of mobility and pocket awareness, he is terrible. We've seen this play out already.
