Do we really have to rehash this after every loss. The narrative is the same for this season as it was last week, last month and for the rest of the season. Reacting week to week is ridiculous. This is a year to learn the new system, get our kids experience and compete next year. If this type of season is happening next year and the draft class and free agents suck then I will be on the bandwagon of fire everyone and draft another QB. For now I will grin and bear it and swear at my TV. This board was firing everybody to playoff hopes to putting Mike White in Canton back to fire everybody all in a three week period.
I know being a fan is an emotional experience, but it never ceases to amaze me how people will build expectations for something that is just not going to happen. What matters to me is how Wilson, Becton, Vera-Tucker, Moore and Carter play like for the rest of the season. A couple of the young DB’s may still surprise me like an Echols or Ashtyn Davis, but I feel like I have a good grasp on this roster at this point. I want to see those offensive pieces all looking pretty good by the last 4-6 games this year, and if they do I’ll be confident that 1 off-season can make the difference.
The Dolphins ended up going 5-4 down the stretch so that’s a bit of a mischaracterization of that team but your point is noted. I just don’t see big talent discrepancies even if the 2021 team is in fact better.
I understand, To me a big part of the difference is the youth vs veteran nature of the 2019 team vs now. The most promising players for the team now are all rookies and 2nd year players. In 2019 it was supposed to be 3rd year Jamal Adams, 6th year CJ Mosley, and 7th year Le’Veon Bell leading the team with Sam Darnold Supposedly about to break through.
Come on, don't you need just a little bit of improvement from September to January? Status quo or getting worse is good enough for you? Write off the entire season to getting experience and hope that there is a possibility to compete for a handful of games next year? I want more than that.
The OL is better but not nearly as much better as it should be considering how many resources Douglas put into it. Saying Zach is better than Sam is wishful thinking. RB is better, not so sure about WR. 2021 edge is better, but that gets canceled out by 2019 interior. And our current secondary is an embarrassment to the NFL.
I want more than but did or do not expect it this season. The defense right now is decimated. Until we figure that out it does not matter what the offense does, from a win the game standpoint.
Because Jets fans are impatient and are tired of waiting. Joe Douglas and Robert Saleh are going to be here until at least 2023 unless 2022 is an absolute train wreck.
I think this is a fair assessment. All those calling for Douglas and/or Saleh to be fired, and starting over again are, at best, motivated by years of frustration - which I share (and probably many more years than most here), or simple panic. Some more perspective: a lot of people here predicted the Jets would only win 4-6 games at most this year, despite a lot of expressed optimism, and they could still win that many. But even if they don't, they've suffered some key losses in personnel, and again, this is a brand new, rookie, CS. More perspective: This is what a true rebuild looks like. It takes time. The REAL problem is that Jets fans have zero patience. I get that. As I've said, after almost 60 years of watching mostly failure, I don't have much patience left. In fact, if there were a better alternative, I'd just quit following the team altogether, but as long as I feel invested in them, I guess I still have some patience left in the tank. Finally, they're trying to rebuild in light of the above AND do so in a very tough division where the other 3 teams are clearly better than them (anyone who discounted how tough the Pats would be just doesn't understand how good a HC BB is). But, everyone's entitled to their opinions and reactions...I'm just giving mine.
Not defending Douglas because I think he sucks too but its pretty obvious that Saleh came from the Johnsons, despite what they try to say
People are evaluating the Jets as if it is normal to be just terrible for a few years in a row. In the process they're losing sight of the fact that the Jets have sucked every year since 2011 with the exception of 2015. This is Lion's bad. It is Browns bad. It is not something that naturally flips over into a successful outcome. Given what we've seen out of them the expectation should be that the Jets are going to be bad until 2025 and that they'll maybe with a little luck have gotten up to sort of competitive at that point. Really there is no reason to believe, absent seeing real improvement on the field, that the Jets will recover from the funk until late in the 2020's or early 2030's. Teams as bad as the Jets aren't bad because of luck or because a couple of guys got injured or didn't develop, etc. Teams as bad as the Jets are bad because they have a rotten long-term process running and you can't build anything on a rotten foundation. No matter how hard you shore up for a given year, as in 2015, the rot will always reassert itself and the foundation will collapse again.
I don't think it is. Even Idzik made some good moves (drafting Richardson and Enunwa, trading Revis, signing Ivory and Decker), and so far Douglas's draft classes look pretty awful. Also, in Idzik's defense, he never had an opportunity to get a great QB; the best one he passed on was Derek Carr. If he had been GM in a different set of years, things might have gone differently for him (though overall, I still think he was awful).
With the Johnson's history of meddling & hiring practices and the fact that Joe Douglas never even knew Robert Saleh, I find it hard to believe that "this time" they let the GM make the hiring
GMs don't always hire coaches they know. And I know the Johnsons like to meddle, but I haven't seen any evidence of them meddling on the Saleh hire.
I guess we will just have to wait until Joe Douglas is fired and working for ESPN for the truth to come out
