Rookie HC .... Do we ever learn

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  1. PennyRoyal10

    PennyRoyal10 Well-Known Member

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    Luck is injured and even when healthy wasn't playing well. If Luck was putting up numbers Pagano wouldn't be on the hot seat. Obviously, there are issues between him and the FO as well. And nowhere in my comment about looking into an offensive coach did I say, 'Just hire an offensive guy'. I know that it's not that easy.
     
  2. JStokes

    JStokes Well-Known Member

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    Yeah we should have hired Jim Schwartz or Norv Turner or Romeo Crennel or Dennis Allen or Mike Tice or Leslie Fraizier or holy shit why couldn't we have hired Jack Del Rio.

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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    thats actually not true bradway.

    Of the last 15 Super Bowl champions 9 of them came from "retread" Head Coaches. only 6 had homegrown head coaches.

    The retreads this offseason weren't good options though. I'm glad we hired Bowles over some of those clowns. I would've been okay with Kubiak but thats about it but even him I wouldn't say is any better than what were seeing from Bowles.
     
  4. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Jets fans are the worst. Todd Bowles isn't (0-9). He is (5-4) after taking over a (4-12) team. Give me a break.
     
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  5. Red Menace

    Red Menace Well-Known Member

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    I think this thread has been pretty even keeled, no one here wants him gone, and it's been a good conversation so far.
     
  6. Snoopdogg

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    It's not just the injury (although it has been terribly mismanaged and I lay that on Pagano's doorstep). The scheme was bad. All these deep throws, no real understanding of his offensive strengths and weaknesses. No toughness. And the latest snafu on special teams with that asinine fake punt. How does the coach not know that the guy who normally executed this is out of the game and so not to call it? This is what happens when you delegate it to another coach and are not intimately involved in everything.



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  7. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I understand that you're just pissed off and blowing steam. Still, you have a point. The problem is, who were all these quality veteran HCs the Jets could have hired each time? Sure, there have been re-tread loser HCs available, but I can't recall a single time where there was a quality veteran HC available and the Jets bypassed him in order to hire a rookie HC.
     
  8. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    Some of your points are valid, but refer to previous GMs who never should have been in place as the team GM in the first place (Bradway and Tanny).

    IMO, the team is not built to win now. That would be foolish with a rookie HC, new systems on both offense and defense, a questionable (at best) OL, a veteran, but mediocre QB, and a roster with little depth and more holes than could be filled in one off season. The team is built to be as competitive in the short term as possible while trying to build a solid foundation that will be successful for the long term. The FA money had to be spent. It couldn't have happened if Mac had signed a bunch of 2nd and 3rd tier FAs. There aren't enough roster spots that could have used up the money he had to spend. Woody and the fan base were tired of losing. I don't think either would have been willing to go through several 3-13 seasons (or worse) while the young players developed.

    As I asked the OP, who were these experienced, successful HCs the team could have hired in the past? I've been following the Jets since '64 and can't think of one, single, experienced and successful HC that the Jets passed over in order to hire a rookie HC, only a bunch of retreads who had failed everywhere they had coached previously.
     
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  9. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I pretty much disagree with your whole post, but especially the bolded comment. Where is your proof to back up that statement?

    Using Schottenheimer as an example is a joke. He's no longer even in the NFL and even sucks as the OC of the University of Georgia.
     
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  10. NYJFan10

    NYJFan10 Well-Known Member

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    People act like the offseason spending spree never happened by constantly parroting this 'Bowles took over a 4-12 team' line, as if this team bears ANY resemblance to the one where Rex was dragging guys off the street to start in the secondary on a weekly basis instead of having Revis/Gilchrist/Skrine/Pryor in his natural position or that we had a Fitzpatrick/Marshall on offense last year for that matter.
     
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  11. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    Name me a SINGLE OC you'd feel good about coming in and managing a complex defense like the Jets have built. Go....



    ......thought so.
     
  12. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Who would want an OC to manage the defense?
     
  13. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    Cant be serious
     
  14. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    Sean Peyton if he is let go in New Orleans
     
  15. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    How do we go from having the youngest team in the league last season to "Bloated Veteran Roster".Its split pretty evenly,guys like Pace,Cromarite and Colon need to go but other then that I don't see a major issue here
     
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    Acad23 Well-Known Member

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    Not serious.
     
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  17. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    That means nothing. My job is not to know the abilities of the various coordinators and position coaches in the NFL. Just because I can't name one, doesn't mean squat. You throw out a post with a bunch of random statements with strong opinions and vie absolutely no proof or names to back up or support your opinions, then you try to deflect by asking me to name an OC.
     
  18. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    The OP needs to come full circle and tell us which retread he would've signed this offseason.
     
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  19. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Jets were actually the 13th youngest team in the league last year. This year they're the 6th oldest.

    http://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age/
     
  20. 101GangGreen101

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    Make Matt Millen the GM also.
     
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