I hope the Bills trade for Roethlisberger. I think he'll suck complete balls for that organization. There's absolutely nothing there for him to work with. The guy's one of the more overrated passers in the league. Yeah, he's a winner...but he also had a hell of a team around him.
You're going to get an argument here. I was jumped all over for suggesting that the team carried him in the 08 season after someone called him "better than Manning".
I would love someone to pull the trigger on this trade because it would shake up the draft and give up a better chance that someone we want drops.
I want to see the NFL come out and explicitly state what behavior he is being suspended for so we can know the extent of the severity they believe such behavior is worth in suspension. if not, the suspension is meaningless and nothing but PR without addressing the behavior at all.
you already know the behavior... conduct detrimental to the image of the NFL.' edit: from the breaking news article on nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817ab3d0&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)
For some reason, junc thinks Manning is bad because he doesn't have multiple rings like Big Ben. That team did carry him and it always has. He was the perfect fit there though. That team has never, ever been in bad shape since he's been there. ...lucky SOB. I think that if he goes to a bad team, he'll be a very mediocre player.
I think collectively, the league office, the Steelers ownership and the other teams drafting in the top 10 will get together and move him out of Pittsburgh by late tonight.. These infractions will be a huge distraction and embarrassment to the team if he is in training camp come July. I can see people picketing and jeering him. I think he's done in that city. Now the question is, what kind of deal the Steelers can offer the Rams, as I think the number 1 pick is worth way more than just this jerk. P.S. I know he is suspended for six games...
yeah, you're having a hard time following what I am saying although it is very simple. all that is is a criteria that his behavior falls into and thus it doesn't state what behavior of his he is actually being suspended for. conduct detrimental is just a criteria, but what behavior of his was actually conduct detrimental? drinking? wagging his dick around? that is the behavior he is being suspended for possibly under the allowance of the rule, but the rule doesn't inherently define the behavior. not sure how you are having such a hard time with this, but I'd recommend simply staying out of the discussion if it is too complex for you.
no need to be a dick about it. but i am following. its simple. if you work for someone and you are in a situation where your actions can reflect negatively on your employer. you're in teh wrong. end of story. i don't see why you're having a hard time getting that. see. its not hard to disagree maturely.
Hopefully he gets traded to Buffalo. That way a buddy and I can make signs when the Bills come rolling in. "This isn't OK" and " No, it's OK" Good shit by the Steelers if they do ship him out.
nobody is saying he isn't in the wrong, the argument is stating that the NFL should state what behavior he committed is actually detrimental to validate the length of the suspension. this is about the NFL, not Roethlisberger. they want to suspend him six games, inherently condemning him for behavior, but don't want to tell the public what behavior he committed that justifies the suspension. that leads me to believe they aren't really addressing the behavior because if it is anywhere near what he is accused of the behavior warrants a significantly longer suspension, and their refusal to do so reveals they aren't really addressing the behavior and are simply doing it for PR. I want the NFL to state explicitly that they believe Ben Roethlisberger got a young woman drunk, had body guards lock her in a bathroom and prevent her friends form entering, and sexually forced himself on her when she wasn't in a position to prevent him, and say that behavior only warrants a six game suspension. the outcry would be huge on such leniency and they don't want the public to know that. if that isn't what he is being suspended for, what is it? just going out and having drinks? what behavior did he commit that they define conduct detrimental that only warrants a 6 game suspension? fact is, they don't want the public to know why he is being suspended so they aren't criticized for the length, thus the motive for the suspension is clearly suspect.
as a professional, his moral compass should be true. that is what he is being suspended for. you want to find the needle in the haystack, whilst not realizing the haystack is on fire. step back... you're looking into the minutia. its simpler than that. he was in a situation that made front page headlines, negatively. Goodell has made it clear since he took his position that this is not going to be tolerated. thats it in a nutshell.
no, that allows him to make a meaningless suspension and create the illusion that certain behavior will not be tolerated, but without defining what that behavior is it is meaningless. how is going out and having a few drinks with friends conduct detrimental to the league? if that is what he is being suspended for, than every player who does so has to be suspended, yet that isn't happening. or perhaps he is the only player doing such, but I have a hard time believing that.
