I never said one that failed or had experience. I just figured since we hired a company of Spielman, Tannenbaum and co to find us a great GM I figured they’d at least have gotten one that doesn’t need them to stick around and tell them how to do the job. It almost seems self serving since Spielman now landed himself a job here. So as I asked @Borat I ask you the same, what happens when Spielman disagrees with Mougey? Is Mougey really the GM here or is he a GM assistant to Spielman?
Its mind boggling that people seem to have a problem with having a FB guy with experience and good resume in the FO to facilitate "needed" changes regarding FB operations. I swear ...
Seriously…I don’t understand the uproar here. I’ve never worked for a football team but I’ve worked in many businesses…hiring consultants who do a good job for you is not all that uncommon. And there have been plenty of posts here calling out the need to have a “VP of Football Operations” type role…this sounds kind of like that as he talked about “operations” in those quotes I saw. Again, I don’t know how a football team is set up as a company, but I imagine the GM is similar to the “product guy” at other companies…he’s responsible for the product on the field…so roster mgmt, contracts, draft, free agency, etc. I would imagine the President (Hymie) is dealing with running the company, so payroll, operations, facilities, P&L mgmt (I.e., revenue, expense, etc.), and would defer specific football decisions to the VP Football Operations and/or GM I would think. Since we’ve never seemed to have that VP Football OPs role, those things probably all sat with the GM. I’m guessing here, and would love to know what those roles actually are, but my point is, having an experienced guy for a new HC and new GM to lean on is a good thing…and if he can improve the way this team operates behind the scenes, all the better. I have no issue with this move at all, and honestly don’t understand the negativity around it at all
Well, it is just my opinion, but it was stated clearly from the onset that Mougey has the final decision on all matters with AG. Is his neck, his rope. Having said that, seems to me, Mougey may be wanted a sounding board and advisor for the first year while building the organization. From my own experience, on a previous life, I was moved into a high level position on a major development program in need of serious personnel and mindset change. I was given a senior consultant from the presidents office during the first year. I listen attentively but made my own decisions. It helped me greatly avoid some potential pitfalls.
I'm surpised Mike Tannenbaum or this guy didn't recommend themselves for the Jets GM job. At the time I thought it made sense. The entire thing seemed odd to me. To have two former GMs not too old to do the job running the search was strange. I have to believe one or both wanted the job had to. This is a odd setup which proves Woody is the real GM here. Mougy is the youngest GM(?) in the league he didn't hire this HC and now he has a ex-GM supposedly working underneath him. Jets GM is a figurehead position?
Why is this strange? Spielman literally just did it last year for Washington, which is doing all right. Did you want Woody to run the search himself or someone who is too old and far removed from the game?
It's odd. Spielman isn't a old man. Tannenbaum is not a old man. Or not too old to do this I hope you understand. I have to believe they yearn to be a NFL GM again. I find it strange to have people like this running a search for GM. When Casserly did it for the Jets he was a much older man retirement age at least?
It's not easy to do this job, it is very demanding. Also, there was a reason why they were fired to begin with. You can be good at certain things, but to run everything and be the final decision maker in all matters is easier said than done. Which is why it is very rare former GMs get another chance. But it does not mean they can't do some aspects of the job really well. Even JD for example, some things he did well. But he cannot be the final decision maker as he always would make a back breaking mistake that ultimately destroys the season. Now, if there was someone else who would make that final decision on some key aspects, JD could actually be useful contributor, like he was in Philly. Which is why I really like hiring of Spielman. I would like Mooge to be the GM, he is fully connected right now with the League, but he may use someone experienced like Rick to run a few things by him, to get his idea, and then may HIS OWN final decision. In other words there is a difference in being a contributor vs final decisions maker and be responsible for everything personnel related. Heck lot of Rick's contributions be on the Operational side, where he does not even need to be there physically, and he will have a hybrid working model, part remote. Which he can do in his advisor role, but certainly not as a GM.
I think the real question is your belief that they yearn to be a GM again…that’s your assumption. They may. They may not. We have no way of knowing. It’s not at all impossible that they don’t actually want to deal with the day to day job of being a GM…kind of like when ex-coaches move to the TV spots either on a show or calling games…they still love the game, they still want to be involved, they just don’t want the long hours and the stress that comes with actually being the HC or GM. A TV gig is much easier and pays great too. So it’s possible that Tanny, after being a GM at the Jets and Dolphins, may not want to do that anymore and prefers running his own company and doing consulting. Who knows? I’m not saying they don’t want to be GMs again, but I don’t think it impossible that they don’t. So to me, hiring guys like this to do the search, who have actually sat in the seat before, makes all the sense in the world. I don’t find it strange at all. And actually, I find it MUCH more preferable than leaving it up to Woody and Chris, or Korn Ferry, or a 30 year has been like Casserly. I don’t know specifically if Tanny and Spielman were the BEST choice … maybe there were other former GMs who could have or would have done something similar … but I DO believe that these are the best TYPES of guys to lead the search. Both have had some success, both have actually done the job before so they know first hand the demands, and with Tanny specifically, he knows first hand the situation with the Jets, so to me, seems like a good way to go. Now whether the resulting hires pan out I have no way to know, and to be honest I would have preferred an offensive HC and a GM from a more consistently successful team like the Chiefs or Eagles or Ravens or Steelers, but we’ll see. I have worries that we are going to just live the same shit over again with a first time HC and a new GM, but we’ll see.
I was more excited about Rick than Tanny when Woody hired them. And Rick was brought in by Tanny, according to Rick himself. #1 Rick just helped Washington with the same search, which worked out well. #2, if you recall I was livid when we gave up so much for Rodgers. I felt 3d round pick was more than enough if we do before the draft. And Rick saw it very similarly, he said 4th. To me that made logical sense, and this was an example of him being in touch with the reality. Plus to last 16 years as a GM, that's saying something. Take a look at Spielman's assessment of the situation. I mean he saw that JD put all his eggs in one basket. He understood that the Jets do need to get things done quickly. But he also understood how much value CAP relief has and that Rodgers is a 39 year old QB coming off not a great season. Then he goes to say that if GB does not pay any of the contract, it's a day 3 pick, 4th at best. This is EXACTLY type of logical advice I would want him to give our GM. Starting with all eggs in one basket, understanding the value of an older player coming of a not great season, understanding the value of CAP. So I for one am very happy to have him as our advisor. https://www.the33rdteam.com/up-for-...-packers-trade-package-look-like-for-rodgers/ "Spielman: Cap Relief Has Real Value "Green Bay has the leverage now because the Jets have to get something done. They got their fan base riled up. And, really, what other options do they have? There's no other significant quarterback out there, and Mike White left for Miami. If they don't get Rodgers, that's going to put a lot of pressure on the Jets – especially since it seems they've put all their eggs in one basket. "Rodgers wants to go to the Jets, and Green Bay has control over the contract. They can push it out until after June 1, and then try to force the Jets into compensation that might not be worthy. It all depends on how antsy the Jets are to get a trade done quickly. "Now, what is fair compensation? Because of the size of the contract – and I don't know if Rodgers would be willing to re-work his deal – the larger the financial piece the Jets have to take on, the lower the draft pick should be. So, for example, if the Packers are going to pay for half the contract, maybe that's a third-rounder that goes to a second. If the Packers aren't going to pay for any of the contract, I'd probably give them a Day 3 pick, no higher than a fourth-rounder. "Remember, you're also giving Green Bay a lot of cash and cap relief by taking on that contract. That has to be worth less in draft compensation. You're talking about a 39-year-old quarterback — yes, a future Hall of Famer — but he didn't have a great season last year. How much the Jets assume of his contract will determine where the compensation goes. "I would hope this gets done in the next two weeks for one reason: How active can the Jets be if they're trying to budget Rodgers' contract into the overall structure? It could prevent them from doing some things in free agency.""
