From this draft, I see 3 starters immediately and 2 future starters and 2 solid backups. I am sure I am being optimistic, but I really do believe that Jets had a great draft.
It is not that Tebow is a bad backup - it's more of Jets needing that 4th round pick elsewhere. It's not like Jets didn't have a backup QB on the roster at the time of trade either.
I agree and disagree. I think Rex's system comes from his intuition and putting all the pieces together to complete a puzzle that he may not have originally intended but he knows will work with what he has to work with. In other words, Rex is one of the few coaches who makes adjustments on the fly because he has the innate coaching intelligence to make things work. Rex can see the strengths in Tebow and exploit those strengths. He evaluated Tebow on what he could offer the Jets and what the average player drafted in the 4th round could contribute. Rex saw how Tebow kept Denver in games - even won them games and on offense if that's what a backup QB can do when Sanchez goes down that's great - his defense can step up.
I'm shocked that Rex believes the Jets had a good draft. Next thing you know he'll be saying that he thinks they have a good team!
If we drafted Tebow in the 4th, I'd still be pissed. Beyond the obvious distractions and circus he brings to town, his mechanics and ability to read coverages/defenses is awful. I've said it once and I'll say it again. I hate to bring race into it but Tebow doesn't do much that I haven't seen countless black QB's do. To take your point a step further, how many people would be pissed if we took Russell Wilson as a 4th round pick? I'm pretty sure there would be some pissed of people in here. This has become the most overused term in football outside of Tebowmania this offseason. I'm so tired of hearing "he's a football player." Well duh! I get what the term means but I also think it's a cop out. This isn't basketball. People have positions for a reason and for the most part, need to adhere to them. I know there are guys that make changes but I don't believe in drafting guys with the idea of testing them out at another position. That's like asking a college applicant if THEY think they're a good fit for the school they're applying to.
I think that's unfair. Tebow won games for the Bronco's last year. One of those games was against the Jets. Russell Wilson hasn't had an NFL snap yet. And I completely disagree with your analysis of Tebow as our 4th round pick. We had unknown backup QB's before Tebow. Now that we have Tebow our most important position at backup is a known factor and the way he plays he can keep us in games if our defense is playing well. That's worth it IMO.
and that is awesome. Best news I have heard since I found out we got both Ryan Steed and Brett Roy in the UDFA circus signings. Good find Milo!
heckuvas. Heh. I still consider myself in Ryan's corner. But not because I believe everything he says, or even that he believes what he says. This is the NFL, so I don't hold that against him too much. But Ryan burned through a record number of heckuva's in his post game pressers last year, and that was only for the pressers. How many of those heckuvas were accurate? Not many. How many did he even believe himself? Well, probably more than were accurate, but certainly not every heckuva.
I agree we did nothing to really sort our OL, but really unless they had taken Reiff in the 1st round - really who was there realistically available (in either FA or the draft) that would have dramatically improved our RT position? Its not like there have been top quality tackles freely available that the Jets have simply ignored.
Back on track to the OP's point: "Drafting" Tim Tebow this year was a good move. What excellent value we got for what we had to give and/or for what we would have drafted instead with the picks we gave. No one can dispute this.
When did Russell Wilson win the Heisman Trophy, NCAA championships and pick his NFL team up and lead them to numerous victories and a win in the NFL playoffs over the Steelers?
This is such a stupid post. Because it flies in the face of any logic that someone who understands football can comprehend. I hate the idea of Tebow as the starting QB of the Jets, but to take for granted all of the advantages he brings outside the starting QB role is idiotic. Get your fucking head out of your ass. Oh, by the way, I hate to bring intelligence into this, but you are a dumb shitbag with an empty peanut shell for a brain.
Wow you sure told me!:rofl2: How about responding with something regarding football. You know... since this is a football site. Sorry you're all anal sore over your precious Tebow but i stand by everything I said. There are black QB's that go undrafted that can do what Tebow does and we don't have to spend our 4th to get them. Spare me the motivational leadership BS he brings to the table. The cheerleaders motivate players and fans too, and they don't cost us a draft pick. If me saying Tim Tebow isn't a quality QB makes me "a dumb shitbag" then so be it. Wipe your mouth and open your eyes homothug, almost everybody not named Josh McDaniels that lived outside of Florida felt the same way before he was drafted and for good reason. He hasn't exactly been John Elway in Denver. I get that some people might love Tim Tebow's intangibles. I could care less, but fine... that's their opinion. But for you to get your panties in a bunch because I said the 2nd worst QB in the league statistically isn't a good QB, you must either A. Not know shit about football and/or B. Be Tim Tebow's butt buddy. Seeing how you've been posting on here for a while, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say B. It's not like I said Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers sucks. I said I would be pissed if we hypoethetically spent a 4th rounder on Tim Tebow. WTF was so egregious about that? This shit is like history repeating itself. When I joined this site, I had some dude calling me every name in the book because I said Eric Smith and Drew Coleman sucked. Then I got banned for my response. It's ok to like Tebow but don't act like he hasn't given plenty of reasons for people to not want him on this team.
He was an example. And Tebow beat a team full of injuries. Let's get serious. Brad Smith had a bunch of accolades in college too and never even got the chance to play QB here. Yall act like we're talking about a future Hall of Famer here lol I don't KNOW that at all. All I saw in Denver was a defense keeping HIM in games for him to "save the day" at the end. Then people conveniently forgot the 1st 3 7/8 quarters where he looked like shit and was skipping the ball into the ground. Once again, we're not talking about a Hall of Famer here. I don't get why it's so out of this world that I'm not a Tim Tebow fan. I live in MD now. I don't here any of the Foreskins fans saying "how dare you not like Rex as our back up. He beat the SB champs twice." It's not like I ripped the Jets. I just said getting Tebow isn't worth giving up a 4th IMO. You can find Wildcat QB's elsewhere.
\ Go ahead and name those undrafted black QBs that won 1 or 2 National Championships, 2 SEC championships and put up the kind of numbers that Tebow put up in college. Oh, wait, I can name one that came CLOSE, his name was Vince Young and he did get drafted last time I checked. Or, we can go back further and look to Kordell Stewart who also happened to get drafted. Funny thing is that Kordell wasn't 1/10th the QB that Tebow was in college. You are full of shit here as well. What most said was that Tebow wasn't "first round" material, but that he was a development project. Here, let me quote Mike Mayock for you. Speaking of someone who doesn't know shit about football, guess who was the worst starting QB in the league in 1983, his first year as a starter ? John freaking Elway. Guess who was one of the worst QBs in the league in 2004, his first year as a starter ? Eli Freaking Manning. Got any other stunningly ignorant statements to make ? Or is that all you have ?
#1 I dont give a fuck about college accomplishments. Charlie Ward had college accomplishments and he played more minutes for the Knicks than he did any NY football team. #2You're comparing Tebow to John Elway and Eli Manning and calling me ignorant? Eli n John have Tebow's mechanics? They read defenses as poorly as Tebow? #3 I still dont see why me saying I wouldnt use a 4th on Tebow is so bad. And Tebow's 1st year wasn't last year btw. He didn't even win the job fair and square. He was 3rd on the depth chart and got in because of the fans pressure. So excuse me if I dont go gaga over a guy who can't definitively beat out Brady Quinn in practice. BTW, when did Mike Mayock become the oracle of the NFL? For the record, Mel Kiper said "Maybe in the 3rd round he can be another Pat White for a team who runs the Wildcat." Since you wanna throw TV analyst out there. #4 Your Vince Young argument proves my point. We would never spend a 4th on Vince Young but in my opinion, he's a far better QB than Tebow and he can run wildcat if needed. Why are you so butt hurt? If you like the guy. Fine. I don't. I'm entitled to my own opinion and I'm sure there are plenty of knowledgeable football people who agree. For the record, on MY TV, that was NOT the consensus that Tebow was a project. Tons of people said he'll need to consider being an H back. Im not about to get in a pissing contest with you about Tebow. If you wanna pound your chest and say he's great...go right ahead. But please, stop acting like you made me look stupid because that's really not the case. All you did was reference college accomplishments. Theres nothing you can say to make Tebow come off as a great NFL QB because it hasn't happened. Now if you're saying he will become one, by all means...that's your opinion. I dont see it but if it happens, I'll be the 1st to congratulate him. However, acting like his career hasn't been a lot of piss poor QB play mixed with late game heroics is ignorant. If that's great to you then so be it. Let him and LeBron have a baby and maybe we can get a full game out of em'. This will be my last time going back and forth about Tim Tebow. The fact that people are going out of their way to defend the backup QB every day on this board, even more so than Sanchez, just proves the circus and nonsense that comes with acquiring him. I'm sure someone will take it upon themselves to throw their little insults my way, but I assure you, you're wasting your time. I know how this story goes. Guys who have been on this site for years say what they want, I retaliate, then I get banned. I'll gracefully bow out of this one. I'd rather discuss and debate STARTING players.
Seriously? Did you just say Charlie Ward ? Hmmm:: Also, at only 190 pounds, teams really wouldn't want Charlie Ward trying to run outside the pocket. Actually, John Elway couldn't read NFL defenses til about his 5th or 6th year in the league. As for mechanics, those can be fixed. The kid has fewer than 16 starts under his belt and has never been in TC as the starter, meaning, that he never got first team reps to speak of in practice until he actually became the starter. As for winning the job fair and square, guess you have no freaking clue as to the preseason stats that were put up by Denver QBs. Guess what ? Tebow had a higher QB rating than Orton did. Here are the stats: Now, just for sake of argument, let's pretend that Quinn actually did beat out Tebow. He was also in the last year of his FA contract. Let's see. Starting QB gets benched. You have 2 QBs available and your team is already 1-4. Do you go with the FA backup QB who's contract ends at the end of the season, OR, do you go with that developmental project that your team drafted in the 1st round, and who still has 3 more years on his guaranteed contract ?? Again, demonstrating that you don't know that much about football. Anyone who isn't an idiot would say that you play the guy you actually have an investment in, the guy that is under contract for 3 more years, to see what kind of abilities he has. I don't know that I would spend anything on Young NOW. He had a lot of promise when he came into the league, but he seems like a serious headcase. Hopefully, for his sake, he has (or can) pull it all back together. That said, he SHOULD be a better QB than Tebow was last year as he's been in the NFL for 6 years and has 61 career starts under his belt. I'm not butt hurt about it. I don't know, maybe I have some personality flaw such that when I see someone spouting a load of bullshit, I'm kind of compelled to address it. My stance on Tebow is rather straightforward and simple. The kid was seen as a multi-year project given his throwing motion, bad footwork and the offense that he came out of. He ended up starting last year for a coach who likes to run, run, run, run and then run, and oh yeah, maybe pass every once in a while. The team he was on wasn't anything close to good. They had an 85 year old running back in Willis MaGahee. They had traded away the best 2 receivers on the squad. No one outside of Denver knew the names of the other receivers. IIRC, their #3 was brought up from the freaking practice squad. Denver's RT, Orlando Franklin comes very close to making Wayne Hunter look like a Pro Bowl RT. Even given all of that, Tebow did pretty well overall last year, ESPECIALLY when you compare his stats over his first 16 starts to other QB's and their first 16 starts. Seriously, it's a huge double standard. Other young QBs have issues and people correctly point out "Hey, he's a young starter, give him time, he'll learn and adjust". But with Tebow, no, it's "He sucks and will never be an NFL QB". Now, with all that out of the way, Tebow brings a TON of value, especially when all it cost was a 4th round pick and a swap of a 6th and 7th. Hell, it's worth the 4th rounder simply if he can somehow get Sanchez to adopt his determination, optimism and leadership abilities.
