That's what the film they reviewed showed - and they reviewed ALL the film - and that's what I saw as well, even though I did not review all the film. As I pointed out (as did PFF) while Allen DOES fit balls into tight windows, he does so by using velocity which makes the ball harder to handle, and by making the throw late he allows defenders to get all over the receiver. He needs to figure out how to make windows more open by improving his reading/timing.
That's absolutely fair and true. In fact at 25 games: Mayfield: 557-857 (65.0%) - 6577yd, 48 TD, 22 INT Brennan: 753-1104 (68.2%) - 9150yd, 68 TD, 35 INT Harrell: 796-1197 (66.5%) - 8069, 53 TD, 29 INT Things I'd note here are: 1) Where I probably screwed up was to not include rates, since it helps when looking at statistics like this. 2) Mayfield has the best sample size at 48, followed by Harrell at 45, and trailing by quite a bit is Brennan at 38 games. The larger the sample size, the more positive exclusions. Example being here (illustrating rate shift when using worst game sample vs full career sample; Brennan's shift is the smallest since he has the lowest sample size): Rates for other comparisons previously made:
Did you listen to the analysis? They specifically pointed out that the most important aspect of measuring QB success is how well they hit open receivers. And Allen's decision-making leads to a lot of his "tight windows". He's the source of much of his struggles.
I've done so much more than quote stats. But you see what you see. Here is some good self-reflective reading for you: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/perception-problem/
C'mon Kurt, sure there's a difference, but the concepts are identical. Will the windows close faster in the NFL? Sure, but if Allen is barely fitting SOME throws into those tight windows now, what will happen when he gets to the NFL? The fact that Mayfield knows how to read player speed and moves and can hit them in stride because of his anticipation will allow him to adjust his timing in the NFL, that isn't so clear with Allen who shows trouble with timing/anticipation.
Why did Wyoming cut Josh Allen's throws and drop backs so radically this season? Why did Allen drop from 8.6 YPA to 6.7 YPA with the same completion percentage both seasons? If you look at Allen's 2017 game log it's like a train wreck. Wyoming kept winning tight games where he under performed. They lost the games against the tough opponents on the schedule largely because he under performed. There's no way a MWC team puts the shackles on their QB if he has what it takes to win in the conference.
What in my post have anything to do w Allen? We were talking about Mayfield.Additionally what does his timing & anticipation have to do w “easy throws”?Im not sure what we’re even debating at this point. Im talking about PFF justifying Completion % as the be all end all by basically sidestepping the “high school level throws” argument by stating that easy throws are somehow the greatest indicator for success in the NFL.While that maybe true at the NFL level..their philosophy is extremely flawed when using college stats to try & project success at the pro level. What does any of this have to do with Josh Allen???
it's much better then people pretending to know stuff by listening to a pod cast or reading an article online from a blogger. and it also shows they at least took the time to watch film on a player. hmmmmmm
allen has his issues for sure, never said he didn't. every QB in the draft does including rosen and darnold no, i'd rather form my own opinion then listen to some "expert" who's more often wrong then right. I've said so as much. give me YOUR film breakdown and i'll gladly reply, i can care less about stats and analysis from "experts" who are always wrong anyway
Is Wyoming within 14 points of any of those close games w.o Allen?Or that maybe YPA went down due to significant turnover in his surrounding cast? He did lose quite a bit from his sophomore campaign.One of the criticisms of Allen is his short/intermediate throws..so now we’re gonna criticize him from reigning the YPA to try & combat that portion?? You’ve always been big on production,Brad.I get it & I respect it..but there is more context to Allen’s production or lack thereof then meets the eye
Oh come on Br4d. I SAW with my own eyes how incredible this guy can be. Didn't you see that that 70 yd throw he made against Toilet Paper State? That was a serious NFL throw. I mean, Dingleberrious McJohnson who runs a 4.45infinity 40 was right on his heels, and he just outran that animal. Best play I ever did see. With my own eyes. Who needs anything else bro? My expert eyes are convinced. Also, somebody reading this must now suck my dick. It is decreed. Booya.
He lost his two best wr’s (nfl caliber), first game against Iowa they thought they could still throw it w/just Allen (40 attempts) they learned real quick that was going to be a problem. The rest of the year he threw more like 20 - 25 times. The team around him was not good, but great players make those around them better. He’s a hard evaluation for sure...
This is exactly your problem. In making this statement you've identified that you lump all "experts" (who the hell knows how you define this) into one group AND that group is "always" wrong. I could take the time and effort, search my own post history, drop every bit of analysis I've done since the first moment I posted about Mayfield, but honestly I believe that to be wasted effort. Your ignorance is willful, and you described it yourself above. The fact that you lump people into blanket groups shows how utterly lazy your perception is. You see what you want, and that is all there is to your opinion.
Listen if you can find me someone with a good proven track record i'll listen, but until then i'm not going to trust the opinion of the guy who thought the jets shouldn't draft will fuller because we had a better version in devin smith, or the guy who thought laquon treadwell was going to be a top 10 WR in the NFL and as far as your history goes, i checked, not a single actual breakdown of anything, just a bunch of stats
