Weeb coached the Jets for 10 years and had a winning pct of .481 - not taking away anything , he was their only SB coach. It sickens me to know that there are only 2 coaches in the entire history of the NJ Jets with wining records - with both campaigns not exceeding more than 2 years - Bill Parcells and Al Groh - and back-to back , no less. It's totally unfair to berate one like Rex Ryan when, under both circumstances with the Jets and Bills, he didn't have the personnel to support him, (read that QB). Sanchez is pretty much a backup/scrub and Geno Smith will probably be the same or out of football in a few years. Tyrod Taylors return to the Bills is in question.
The Jets have 5 AFC championship appearances in their history. 1 in 68, 1 in 82, 1 in 98, and 2 under Rex in 09 and 10. You can complain all you want but nobody else has done that with this team. If Rex actually had a QB that wasn't a scrub things may have been different. Or if Favre stayed for 09.
Yes, Rex DID take them to the AFC Championship game twice, but his failing as a HC is that he didn't understand, nor show any desire to understand, the offense. Had he done that, he would've seen that allowing all the talent to drain away from Sanchez was fatal. But he seemed so mono-focused on his "D" that he neglected to see the other side. It didn't occur to him that if they had drafted/signed some better talent around Sanchez, he could've been the answer. Instead he listened to the mob calling for Sanchez to be benched and then finished him off with that stupid decision to put him into a meaningless preseason game at scrub time and got him crippled. These are the decisions that made him a bad HC, and I've seen nothing from his time in Buffalo that proves any different.
If your at the point in football where you have to second guess yourself whether to play someone because he may get hurt, then you shouldn't even be in the game to make those decisions. Not trying to defend what Rex did. But at the same token, not questioning it either. Shit happens when 22 men get on the field and they're all loaded for bear. From where I sat Sanchez needed the work. Regarding replacing players that they lost, easier said than done for what payers to bring in - they all (staff) have to agree on what's best for the organization/team. You can't point the finger at one individual. A player like Kris Jenkins, for example, not easy to replace. He was a very important part of the D that Rex found very difficult to over come from his departure. Signing Ladanian Tomlinson and Santonio Holmes were good moves , imo. Bringing in Bart Scott and Jim Leonard were very important pieces. Not all coaches get what they want - the Giants and Tom Coughlin were at each other's throats so many times one couldn't count.
I would be fine with Rex coming back WITH a strong GM (who doesn't ask Rex for his opinion on players) and a good OC. In the 6 yrs we had Rex we either had the worst GMs ever or the worst OCs. 2 draft picks and a cloud of dust Tanny. $60M in the bank Idzik. Players with PHDs needed to execute running plays Shottenheimer That fucking blind goofball from Miami. My god.
Really? Those are my standards? I have to pick between Rex, Bowles, Kotite, Herm...? You didn't point out that three Jets coaches have won Super Bowls, just not with the team. What about them? Could we have them back? What happened in the past is not relevant. Rex needed to go. We need a better coach and a better GM, and most of all a better quarterback.
If you want to isolate one damning turning point for the franchise my vote goes to Leon Hess making the single worst move in the history of the Jets in blowing out Carroll prematurely to bring in Kotite, starting the revolving door to destruction. If Carroll was still coach after 22 years we'd probably be whining about how boring everything was year after year even though the Jets possibly would have had a winning record and multiple playoff appearances or better. A first year 6-10 death sentence and a second year 5-11 status quo makes sense to some - certainly not to me.
I think Mangini was the turning point, he was militant, but he could evaluate talent and was not given enough time to see it through. He was helping to put together a good football team. I don't blame Woody for firing him though, being tight lipped with the outside world is one thing, keeping the owner on the outside as well, that's a bit much.
Mangini was given three years, Carroll only one. Mangini's NFL record as a head coach is at .407, Carroll at.591. Manggini had no championships as a head coach, Carroll got to the Superbowl twice, winning once and also had an NCAA national championship and six major bowl wins. I think it's pretty easy to see that Carroll was the bigger loss and was given a lot less time before being canned; Mangini was just another temporary fill-in that we've seen since Carroll was canned. Interestingly, he left with the same winning percentage that Ryan left with which is .011 better than what Bowles has now.
Petes Super Bowl record is hindsight, anyone could now say they should have hired him, the Pats fired him as well. What he accomplished with Seattle is very different than what he could have done with the jets, do you think he could have made the playoffs, or win the division for that matter, in the AFC with a 7-9 record? My opinion about EM is based on how the team was being put together. Mangini was fired after his third year, 1 playoff appearance and a 9-7 season, if you look at the players that were drafted and put in place by Mike T and EM, it speaks volumes of direction of the team, they were trending up. That's what we as fans always look for, the big picture, not just one season. We ask ourselves what direction is the team heading in? There are plenty of bumps in the road, Woody just did not let it play out, the drafts were good and the development was there as well. Rex did a good job with the Jets for 2 years, but the direction of the team started projecting downward with him and now it's at a flatline. That's why I would never want him back, we have results based on a big picture scenario with Rex and it's not good in my opinion.
Not sure who exactly you are referring to - Pete Carrol? Bill Parcells? Bill Belicheck? Notice one common denominator that separates those three from all the rest? Each had a very capable leader taking the snaps - one a sure bet HOF, one a multiple pro-bowl player that was a SB MVP with over 33,000 passing yards in his career, and the other a very rare phenom that the Seahawks luckily drafted that was a once in a lifetime find. Point is, having a very good QB makes any coach look competent.
I agree that Rex needed to go, but he was screwed by Idzik, no question. He should have been let go when Idzik was brought in. The Jets have low standards because they are historically bad, but Rex has still had more success with the Jets than any other Jets coach in history except Weeb.
Yeah I agree about the preseason garbage time game, but the drop off in surrounding talent was more on Tannenbaum. Getting rid of Braylon and overpaying Holmes, then dropping Dustin Keller & shitting on Jericho Cotchery, never addressing the oline and sticking with Wayne Hunter, etc. Plus, Sanchez wasn't the guy. He succeeded on the Jets only when he had training wheels on and let the oline and running game carry him. As soon as they opened it up and let him sling it, he became the human turnover machine. He was never going to be a guy that could carry a team, there's a reason he can't get a job beyond back or 3rd string QB now. I agree that Rex was too focused on defense, but Sanchez was never going to be a franchise QB. Rex is still better than Bowles.
I never said that Sanchez could carry a team...that's exactly the problem - he needed those pieces around him to succeed. You blame Tannenbaum for that, but do really think the HC had no say in what was done with the roster? PUHLEEZE! I'm not sure if they could've won a SB, but if they had kept up the level of talent around Sanchez he obviously could've gotten there. But they - Tanny AND Rex - let that talent slip away, and tried building up the defense instead. because that's all that Rex knows. We've still not recovered, and the end of the tunnel isn't in sight. As to "Rex is better than Bowles", that's like saying horseshit is better than cowshit.
I'm not saying Rex is a great head coach by any means, he's just one of the most successful the Jets have had and I would take him as defensive coordinator. At the same time, the Jets standards are low. Please stop defending Sanchez, he was horrible and there was no hope for him, he was Mr interception, he needed to be carried to be successful. They could have built better around him, but they also could have gotten a better QB and improved miles more. Rex never had a good QB to work with. Just imagine Favre staying for 09, and instead of trading up for Sanchez, they drafted Jeremy Maclin in the 1st and Lesean Mcoy in the 2nd. They could have gone all the way.. Wishful thinking, I know!
Rex was the second best coach in Jet history and half the people on this board hate him, please do tell us what you thing about the other scum who filled the role.
