I'd double-like this if I could. Drew Coleman was an asset in 2009 and that was not a skill thing, that was a Rex using him almost perfectly thing.
Were there any particular plays that stood out to you in his absolutely putrid career? Because aside from his one surprisingly productive season playing in Jacksonville, AFTER he stopped playing for Rex, the guy spent most of the time sucking sewage.
You can infinity-like that post and it will still be useless unless you justify the floppy claim that Coleman was anything but a terrible defensive back.
I'm not going to address the Coleman crap because it is exactly that. False nonsense. Cromartie had an all-pro year in San Diego. Maybe an all-world year. Then they went to a more cerebral cover defense and he fell off, not to mention being a soft bitch. He got to NYJ and continued his woes that got him traded by avoiding contact and sucking shit on short and sharp routes, the same stuff that had plagued him in SD. Then he had a "great" season in 2012 when Revis was injured and teams threw everywhere but his direction. Woohoo, Pro Bowl, baby. Rex has had his difficulties since 2009 on defense, not the least of which is the severe lack of a FS. The deceiving pass defense rankings are complimentary to the pathetic run defense rankings from 2010 to 2012. And this year, when the Jets had a stifling run defense, what do you know? The pass defense went straight to the toilet. Not a coincidence. Teams just realized that they couldn't just run it down our throat and decided to put Cro out to pasture instead of letting the Jets pretend he was anything more than a thoroughbred with no brain. Last year, another 1rd CB was drafted, and he struggled as much or more than you would expect a 3rd rounder to. He picked up his game late in the season, but it was mainly against low rent teams. We can all hope that he continues an upward trend, but all it is right now is hope. Rex does adjust personnel. That's part of the way he runs an effective defense. He also disguises weaknesses. What he doesn't do is elevate or develop defensive backs. He just doesn't. I love the guy, but that is his GLARING weakness. But hey, 2 guys are trying to justify the DB elevating prowess of Rex Ryan by bejeweling the accomplishments of the great Drew Coleman, and doing nothing but that, so maybe I am wrong.
An article here on TGG last week said QBs playing against a Rex Ryan or Dick Lebeau defense have their worse QB ratings of the year. I think Lebeau was first, Rex 2nd, then the rest of the NFL a mile away. And this played out over multiple years, not just one cherry picked season. But yeah, Rex brings nothing.
Rex... brings... nothing. Did you just sniff some glue or something? It takes more than cornerbacks to factor a QB's rating against a defense.
Well, this is an interesting perspective. If we assume that the DL is indeed Rex's strong point, then those high-round draft picks we splurged on the defensive line would have been better spent elsewhere - on a safety perhaps, or a pass-rushing OLB. If Rex could have coaxed good contributions from a third-round DL, the organisation should have geared itself to get players at other positions for the gaping holes on this roster, rather than repeatedly picking up linemen in the first two rounds. I'm not saying the OP is wrong, but if he's right, this organisation did not recognise the situation and kept getting top DL talent for a coach who could manage with JAGs at that position.
The Jets have been built both ways under Rex, 2009-1010 we had mediocre D-linemen being coached up by Rex with high powered CB's. Now we have great talent at D-line being coached up to even higher levels by Rex, and possibly some not to high powered CBs. We'll see about where we spend our fist pick this year, but it's hard to imagine it going anywhere but defense the more I look at it. I love HCD and I think he'd add more to our defense than any other first rounder aside from perhaps Clowney or Mack.
I don't know what you're hoping for in terms of a "justification" but I doubt I'll be able to satisfy that. My recollection is that rex used him very effectively as a blitzer and his coverage improved from absolutely terrible to OK as the dime back. Even if you accepted that as correct if that's the only positive difference Rex ever had on a CB it doesn't do much to disprove what you've said.
You're right about that, but when you really think about it Coleman was more of a blitzing DB than a CB at all. I think our CB play has been pretty good overall. I mean let's be real, Rex probably never spent a whole lot of time with the cornerbacks, Dennis Thurman was the defensive backs coach throughout Rex's tenure before his promotion so I think he is probably somewhat responsible for our good CB play. It doesn't matter how good you are, you don't get to where Revis did without good coaching. Cro's 2010 season is actually really underrated, and he does get beat but he really played much better overall with the Jets than he did in SD. Even guys like Trufant and Lankster were pretty good at their role you know? Walls may not be great but he's a UDFA and plays like a 4th-5th round pick, so that's got to mean something. I credit Thurman with a lot of their development. I think the Rex Ryan coaching tree is going to yield some interesting coaches, it already sprouted Mike Pettine, in a couple of years it will be Thurman and Carl Dunbar will probably take over as DC (he's the defensive line coach right now).
From an objective stand point, Rex has had a lot of money and 1st round picks to work with and not a lot has come of it. Rex can uplift his players for a game or two each year, but for the most part it hasn't translated into success for the team. We have shown an ability to stuff the running game of most teams, but in a passing league, we haven't done a lot to put pressure on QB's even with great CB play.
I think I agree with the title, but I'm not too sure I agree that it is a weakness of his developing corners. I think he prioritizes high level corners because that's the way his system started. It was trying to force QBs to make a quick throw to the guy Revis was covering. Soon, QBs realized they could pick on other corners. Rex and Tanny tried to address that, then the other team realized they could pick on the LB and S, and so on and so forth. I think he prioritized high level corners because he tried to makeup for a weakness in the DL, as you mentioned, by leaving his corners less help than more traditional defenses. That less help went to helping pressure the QB. This was our blitz rate this year, 18th in the league, around 31%. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/04/07/team-blitzing/ Compare it to this article stating they blitzed over 50% of the drop backs in 2009, http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/13472/jets-blitz-effectiveness-is-huge-stat-key Maybe that's why he prioritized corners? It's not necessarily a weakness developing them, but it was strategy to build upon a strength the Jets currently had at the time. A strategy that was to hide to the weakness of the DL/LB? I guess we'll really learn next year what Rex does with the inexperienced corners on defense he has next year. I do think you are right, he really hasn't consistently raised the level of corners. The defensive strength of this team has really shifted in the years under Rex, time for him to adjust again Side note, if anyone has a free site that has blitz rates/blitz %s, if you could pass it along to me that could be a great. A quick google search didn't yield anything and I lost my bookmark that had a site that had these numbers in the past.
I found out recently that it has been scientifically proven that the less you know, the more you think you know, and the more confident you are in your assertations. Reading posts from TC reminded me of that.
If we had one of the worst passing defenses in the league over his 5 seasons as head coach you could make the argument that its his "weakness",its been his strong suit over the years in my eyes because we never had much of a pass rush his first 4 seasons so he had to count on his Corners a heck of a lot more.And honestly Revis isnt the same player without Rex
How the hell do you know this? He was coming back from an injury and playing in zone scheme with the Bucs? This year will tell a lot more about whether he was somehow a product of Rex's system. I highly doubt it.
I dont think revis is necessarily a product of Rex's system but i Think Rex's system allowed him to showcase his greatness more than other teams would allow him to because its risky. Teams dont wanna look how we did verse the deep pass all year.
