Revis trade thread (Update: Revis to Bucs for '13 1st and cond. '14 4th)

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  1. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Except he doesn't own J&J. J&J was formed by his father but Woody (while obviously inheriting some of the J&J fortune) never had a hand in owning or running J&J and to this day does not.
     
  2. Big Blocker

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    Well, it is perhaps not a proven fact, but from all available indications...

    There are occasions when I wish I was wrong about something. Heh. This is certainly one of them, but it seems like I am right again. Damn.
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    J&J was actually formed by Woody's great grandfather. I can see no reference to his ever having worked there, but his father did. In fact I don't think there's any reference indicating he ever worked at anything.
     
  4. tank75

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    the johnsons and their company are actually quite an interesting story involving scandals and the like. im not sure of the details anymore because i found out about it in a documentary by woody's nephew jaime johnson, but from what i can remember, woody's father either bankrupt the company or left everything to his young wife or something along those lines, which is why the family is no longer involved with operations.

    as far as i know, woody chose the jets because he loves football and wishes to prove himself as a business man.

    i agree that he has had an unfair advantage his entire life, and it is very possible he would not have amounted to any sort of success. but its not like the guy just sits around all day.
     
  5. Poeman

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    Thanks Bro
     
  6. Will-I-Am-Not

    Will-I-Am-Not Well-Known Member

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    I like the idea of getting Tampa's second round pick in this draft, and their first in 2014.
     
  7. Barcs

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    The only issue with this, is that their 1st in 2014 will probably be higher since they are a team on the rise, especially if they get Revis. I'd rather have the 1st this year because we need people to develop now. A #13 overall is much better than a #20 a year later. We have holes to fill now.
     
  8. LeonNYJ

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    I thought Woody's' father was fired from the company?
     
  9. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    6 years 75M(50M guaranteed) should get it done

    Revis would make the contract well worth it to be honest, he's one of those guys who will live up to the deal he signs
     
  10. deerow84

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    Same. I would go for this year's second rounder, next years first and another pick next year likely with some conditions on it...might end up a third at best next year.

    That gives us two second rounders this year to add depth we badly need. Next year we'd have two firsts. If we aren't in a position to draft a QB then use the Bucs first and even another pick if need be to move up and get the QB of the future. Then they can step in to a stronger roster and we go from there.

    The pick next year might be numerically worse but it will be more valuable to us than the 13th this year. Who would we get anyway? They going to be more valuable than a franchise QB?
     
  11. TNJet

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    Trade that greedy mother now!!!!!

    Brought to you by Natty Light and 2 previous holdouts.
     
  12. Royal Tee

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    IIRC, he has no part in that but was just a spoiled little rich bitch with $$$ lol
     
  13. Footballgod214

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    Woody Johnson
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Early life

    Johnson was born in New Brunswick, New Jersey. His father was Robert Wood Johnson III, president of Johnson & Johnson for four years, and his mother was Betty Wold Johnson. Johnson grew up with four siblings: Keith Johnson, Billy Johnson, Elizabeth "Libet" Johnson, and Christopher Wold Johnson. He grew up in affluent areas of North New Jersey, and attended the elite Millbrook School. He graduated from the University of Arizona.[3]

    Career

    Johnson became involved in charitable organizations full time in the 1980s. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. His family has been affected by both lupus and juvenile diabetes, which motivated Mr. Johnson to take a role in raising funds to prevent, treat, and cure autoimmune diseases. He has led efforts on Capitol Hill and at the National Institutes of Health to increase research funding for lupus, diabetes, and other autoimmune diseases.[4] and personally contributed to causes related to diabetes, after his daughter Casey was diagnosed with the disease. He also started a research foundation, the Alliance for Lupus Research, after his daughter Jaime was found to have lupus.

    On January 18, 2000, Johnson purchased the NY Jets for $635 million, the third-highest price for a professional sports team and the most for one in New York. Johnson, who also owns courtside seats to the New York Knicks, outbid the $612 million offered by Charles F. Dolan, the chairman of Cablevision, which owns Madison Square Garden, the Knicks and the Rangers. The price seemed high for a team with a recent history of game losses, and which finished with a 1-15 record in 1996. The team sold for more than $100 million above what some sports finance analysts had expected. Based on the Jets' recent[when?] financial performance and the team's low-revenue lease at Giants Stadium, the analysts said the team was really worth about $250 million.[5]

    After buying the Jets, Johnson announced plans to move them to the proposed West Side Stadium in Manhattan. However, after the project's defeat in 2005, Johnson announced the Jets would move to a new Meadowlands Stadium (opening day 10 April 2010) co-owned with the Giants. Johnson served on the NFL Commissioner search committee in which a list of 185 candidates to succeed Paul Tagliabue was narrowed down to the final choice of Roger Goodell.

    Johnson is the Chairman and Chief Executive of the Johnson Company, Inc., a private investment firm founded in 1978. In August 2006, Johnson was asked to testify before a Senate panel about his participation in a sham tax shelter. A Senate report said that Johnson, along with a few others, were able to buy, for relatively small fees, roughly $2 billion in capital losses that they used to erase taxable gains they garnered from stock sales. The U.S. Treasury lost an estimated $300 million in revenue as a result. In a statement, Johnson said he had been advised by his lawyers in 2000 that the transaction "was consistent with the Tax Code." But after the Internal Revenue Service challenged that view in 2003, Johnson this year "settled with the IRS and agreed to pay 100 percent of the tax due plus interest." [6]

    He was the committee president for Pre-Commissioning Unit for the USS New York (LPD-21).[7]
    Personal life

    In 1977, Johnson married former fashion model Nancy Sale Johnson. They had three children: Casey, Jaime, and Daisy, before divorcing in 2001. In early 2010, Casey died of diabetic ketoacidosis.[8]

    In 2009, Johnson married Suzanne Ircha Johnson, a former actress and Equities Managing Director at Sandler O'Neill & Partners.[9][10] They have two children: Robert Wood Johnson V and Jack Wood Johnson.

    Johnson has homes in Bedminster Township, New Jersey and New York.[11]
    Politics

    Johnson has personally given more than $1 million to various Republican candidates and committees. In May 2008, he orchestrated a fundraiser in New York City that brought in $7 million in a single evening for John McCain, by far the largest amount collected up to that point by a campaign that had been struggling to raise money. Johnson also provided significant funding to the Republican National Convention of 2008 in Minneapolis-St. Paul convention host committee; from a $10 million shortfall, Johnson contributed personally and solicited friends to assist in covering the convention deficit.[12] In 2011, Woody Johnson announced that he would endorse former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney for the 2012 U.S. Presidential Election.[13]
     
  14. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Johnson must go

    And we must hire Mark Cuban as the new owner
     
  15. Axel3419

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    I love Mark Cuban. He has quite the personality, but he is a self made man and, IMO, a really good person. I don't think he has any interest in football, though...
     
  16. Jeti

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    he wanted to buy the Rangers previously as well as the Dodgers as well, he'd be the perfect owner for the Jets to be honest
     
  17. 1968jetsfan

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    MLB and NBA are different than the NFL. NBA and MLB have in essence soft salary caps in that you pay a fine or luxury tax if your payroll is over an amount, you can pay madly for players and not worry about the cap as long as your willing to pay the tax.

    NFL doesnt matter, hard cap, can't go over it. And now you can't cheap out like the Chiefs and some other teams were (spending around 70% or less of the cap) since you have to spend on average 89% of your cap. The Jets have constistantly been at or near the CAP over the past few years, so it's not a matter of Johnson not paying money to players. The money is spent. But I do think he's tired of Revis getting big contracts that on average make him the highest paid CB and the contracts being frontloaded and then REvis wanting more money after the heavy frontload is past.

    If Revis gets another deal from the Jets it's going to have to be back loaded so he doesn't start whining about being underpaid when the heavy front load is past.

    It's the average per year that matters, Revis is not underpaid this year when you look at the contract as a whole. His currently deal was 4 years 46 million, or an average of 11.5 million a year. The contract was heavily front loaded and as soon as the two front loaded years were past Revis started whining about being underpaid at 5 million a year, give or take.

    Yes that would piss me off as an owner as well. It's not about being cheap, Woody isn't the best football mind in the game as far as owners go, but he's not been cheap either...look at the Chiefs and Bucs and other teams who have been Cheap.
     
  18. Footballgod214

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    As a side note to the 89% cap all teams must spend, I read somewhere that it's a 4 year 'rolling avg'. Which means a team can meet the cap for the first 3 years and then pocket 44% ($54M) of the year 4 cap. So 'cheap teams' can still be 'cheap teams' if they really want to. And many really want to.

    We all bitch about Woody, but let's be honest.....at least we're not fans of a bad team with an owner who refuses to ink big checks for star players.
     
  19. Hobbes3259

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    Revis wont be traded prior to the draft.

    Hes going to go after June 1. Then we absorb a 5M cap hit this year, and defer 9m till next.

    Which, if you consider it, is partially offset under the new Rookie cap, and replacing more aging vets with draft choices, and further restructers (ahem...Sanchez)...

    So, anything we get from trading Revis, wont be realized till 2014.

    Given Idziks management so far, I cant see him taking the entire hit this season, plus, by waiting till June 1, the bet is hedged by emerging salaries reducing...though, only marginally.
     
  20. MenOverGod

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    can dirk play TE?
     

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