Revis trade thread (Update: Revis to Bucs for '13 1st and cond. '14 4th)

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I have mentioned a number of factors. Already. I will mentin them again, but I don't believe anyone has yet to present a persuasive counter argument.

    First of all, saying he wants X above that is most likely his starting point for negotiations.

    Second, there is no reason to think any other team will offer much above $13mil. It would be different if he were attracting more interest than he appears to have so far. He has to take that into account.

    In connection with the previous point, third is that most of the highly paid contracts to defensive players of late have become widely viewed as bad contracts.

    A separate point concerns the leverage the Jest have with one more year at a below market rate. Please see other of my posts for a more lengthy explanation.

    Fourth is the timing issue. By the time he can show his injury is healed (assuming he can and that is before Opening Day), all other teams will want to have their rosters set. Perhaps a SB contender who loses a key starting CB will want to pick him up there. But that is too chancy for Revis to depend on, and even at that he doesn't know what they will be willing to pay.

    The Jets by comparison can handle all these issues better than any other team.
     
  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you here. A new contract can be structured around this year's cap issues. I don't know why anyone would even doubt that.
     
  3. Biggs

    Biggs Well-Known Member

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    Looks to me like the new rules might make CB who can cover more valuable. Running backs are going to be scrutinized under the new rules and are likely to be less productive.
     
  4. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Not true at all.

    They said that they re-watched the entire last season on film and this new penalty would have been called a max of 5 times.
     
  5. ajax

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    RB can still lower the helmet within the tackle box. The big change is when RB gets out in space. A lot of secondary players (especially CB) will never see the crown on RB helmet. However, DL & many LB shouldn't notice much of a difference.



    "But coaches had serious questions about outlawing helmet-crown hits by running backs when they are outside the tackle box or more than three yards downfield."

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9072729/nfl-owners-meetings-rb-helmet-rule-meets-resistance


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    http://www.nflevolution.com/article...he-talks-about-lower-the-helmet-rule?ref=7215 <--- they explain it really well here. btw, it's a 15-yard personal foul penalty.
     
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  6. Biggs

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    Since spearing was already illegal and the rule isn't going to be applied evenly, I suggest you are going to see this applied to way more than simply the crown of the helmet.

    Running backs who run mean are going to sufer and so will their teams.
     
  7. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Manish Mehta ‏@MMehtaNYDN 1m
    Sources: Darrelle Revis would get $12M-$13M per year as part of long-term contract with Buccaneers. http://nydn.us/ZTHOF1 #nyj

    oopsie..not nearly enough for Mevis, is it?
     
  8. displacedfan

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    12-13 million is expensive, but it's not out of this world if you can lock Revis up for a long time
    Where did you get those numbers? The below is 5 per week and they only watched 2 weeks, not all season.

    I saw this:
    ProFootballTalk ‏@ProFootballTalk 3h
    Rich McKay says NFL studied Week 10 and Week 16 from 2012; there would have been 11 flags under the new helmet rule during those two weeks.
     
  9. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    That's what I meant LOL

    My mistake. I was thinking season and meant to write end of season
     
  10. displacedfan

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    Yeah I was going to say, 5 a week vs 5 all season is a big difference haha
     
  11. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    LOL

    HUGE difference. Good catch. Thanks man :beer:
     
  12. bigbucks24

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    So that is basically 2.5 penalties per season per team. Or your team is going to get called for that penalty once every 6 games (statistically). Doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
     
  13. Falco21

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    It isn't that big of a deal at all.

    This is also not taking into account that the refs now have to catch it. They have enough to watch as it is. Now they are going to have to watch to see if a RB lowers his head. Give me a break
     
  14. displacedfan

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    Again, it's putting another subjective call in the hands of the refs. They have to call bang bang who initiated the helmet contact. It's going to take years to level out and be called consistently. It's also the missed calls vs calls. It just adds another thing that can
    a) slow the game
    b) change the outcome of the game
     
  15. Br4d

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    It's part of the evolution of football. In the 70's players could hit their opponents on the earhole of the helmet with a taped forearm and hand. That was a concussion possibility on every down and perfectly legal.

    By the time the NFL is done changing the rules contact with the opponent's head will be no more tolerated in the NFL than it is in the NBA.
     
  16. mj2sexay

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    If that rotoworld blurb is true and Revis is willing to accept 12 mil a year, this organization has no business dealing him.
     
  17. BroadwayAaron

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    $12 mil for a CB when you're trying to rebuild is dumb.
     
  18. jilozzo

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    What is that ten percent of the cap? I would rather pay my QB that coin.
     
  19. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    12 mill a year for one of the best ayers in the NHL is just fine. If that is truly what he would accept than we should lock him up. My issue is I think the report is off.
     
  20. Harpua

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    .... We are paying Mark more than that against the cap right now lol.
     

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