Revis trade thread (Update: Revis to Bucs for '13 1st and cond. '14 4th)

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  1. NJBeliever

    NJBeliever Active Member

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    You make valid points. Revis was very well-compensated in his time here.

    But Just substitute JJ Watt, Ray Lewis, Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson in this situation. Do you think any team would treat their franchise player like this??? Not even speaking to him once until the day before you ship him out when you have an entire off-season to at least say something? Ignoring his camp at the combine and then LYING through your teeth about not shopping him only to be outed by every GM and their mama a day later?

    I have no sympathy for Revis from a financial standpoint. The playing "for 1 million" thing is obviously a red herring given the structure of his contract. But from a franchise point of view, the way Idzik and Woody treated their best player was almost unheard of. Especially since it was not like Revis was in his driveway doing crunches while the team was in camp. He was not holding out. He was not waging a media war. He was not blasting the team. When the first trade rumor came out all he said was that he was stunned.

    You can assume he was going to go twitter crazy (something he's never done in his career) but that does not excuse how poorly our team treated one of its top 3 best players ever. Idzik was cold and deceitful. And it just makes a circus franchise that much further from being taken seriously.
     
  2. Lynkx

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    Hey, what's the difference between Revis, Lewis, Watt and Peterson?

    Answer: None of them have ever held out. Idzik was not "cold and deceitful". The reason Revis was traded is because it was WELL known that he would be looking for a contact that rivaled an Elite QB, on top of his attitude.

    His agents are known for using the media to put pressure on the organization. They did this in 2010, and we all saw it. Revis held out not once, but twice. These are legitimate reasons, he's making himself bigger than the team, and in an atmosphere where you have too many personalities like that, getting rid of one, even if he is the best player in the world, can help your locker room.


    It was pretty damned cold when Revis held out TWICE on this team. He could have played through that contract that year and had it restructured just before the season started or during the season to be more beneficial to him. Instead he chose to just not show up to camp.
     
  3. NEJets

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    Well said...... For Revis, it's all about "Me" get paid.

     
  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Boy, the Jet Front Office Homers are all glad to see Revis go.

    Enjoy watching major suckitude from the East Rutherford Jests next year, Woody lovers.
     
  5. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    Your comment right here sums up the stance of all those that just dont/cant get it.

    We would have enjoyed all the same suckitude next year WITH Revis. The front office is trying to avoid sucking for the next 5 years as well
     
  6. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    People would rather be average for 10 years with Revis than be crappy for three years and awesome for the following 10 years without Revis.
     
  7. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Nobody wants to be crappy for 3 years. It would however have royally sucked to be crappy this year knowing that Revis was flying the coop for just a 2015 comp pick and that happening only if the Jets didn't sign starting caliber free agents.
     
  8. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    but the history pf the NFL supports those that denigrate the relative value of CB's. nobody is saying they have no value, but for a team like the Jets that has holes at positions that have proven to be far more valuable in the building of championship teams than CB, the cost of a great CB comes to the detriment of the ability to fill those holes, so the value isn't that high.

    at best, the history of the NFL has proven that no SB winning team has been spearheaded by having the best CB in the league. at worst, recent history has shown that disrupting the modern passing offense is most successful when it comes at the line of scrimmage.

    Revis is great, but his cost is too high for a team rebuilding that can use that salary space at positions where you see a greater impact in the success of the team. whether the Jets do a good enough job at utilizing that space is irrelevant to whether they should have kept Revis and hindered their ability to fill those needs.

    surely there has to be a plethora of championship teams that have been dependent on having elite high priced CB's on the team if the position has greater value than some of us think. not just good to very good CB's, but elite CB's at the level of Revis who demand that high a salary. The Cowboys were a championship team without Deion, and the only team the 49ers could not beat without him was the Cowboys (though the 49ers added far more impact players that season than just Deion, so it is impossible to stake the credit to him). hell, the Patriots won a Super Bowl with an average WR playing CB, that is a pretty strong indicator of the relative value of the position.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    HIstory? Ho about the Oakland Raiders when they had Haynes and Hayes? They won the SB.

    There are many ways to put together a championship team, and trading Revis has not brought the Jets one bit closer to winning anything. There is nothing about the game of football that says that having a great CB PREVENTS the team from winning it all.

    The Jets are in cap trouble this year because of underperforming and overpaid players elsewhere on the roster. There was room for Revis if they were not saddled with those players. Next year there would have been room for Revis AND enough to pay enough good players on O to upgrade that unit.

    Meanwhile they are prefectly capable of bungling the pick they got for him.

    I do not agree with your take on the relative value of CB's. Let's just say I think the talk supporting your position coming from Jet Front Office Homers trying to tell themselves the suddenly very bright Jet management did the right thing in trading the team's best player for not very much because Cb is an unimportant positoin, or for that matter pretty much any of the other unsupported and speculative talk, is so much bs.

    "Revis is gone! It's all good!"

    No it isnt.
     
  10. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Last season, our secondary was never a major issue even while Revis was sidelined.

    Now, with Landry, Bell and Revis gone it could be a different story. Basically, Cro fills for Revis, Wilson fills for Cro, Landry fills for Landry and now we are sill missing a safety. Also, an effective pass rush will make our secondary look better than last year... adding to that, a sustainable offense could do wonders for the health and readiness of our D.
     
  11. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Won't be any worse than if he was here.
     
  12. cval

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    Ravens 34, 49ers 31

    The 49ers rated 3rd in defense gave up 34 points to the Ravens a 17th ranked offense.

    This is more than ever an offense of driven league. A team to be good does not need a great defense but an opportunistic defense and a good offense. Unfortunately CB is a position set up to fail in the NFL Revis or not.
     
  13. RobA

    RobA 2005-2007 TGG.com Most Optimistic Award Winner

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    So, how do we replace Revis? Will Milliner be on the board at #9?
     
  14. Attackett

    Attackett Well-Known Member

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    You replace Revis by upgrading the pass rush. You don't replace him with a CB in the 1st rd that's for sure.
     
  15. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Dude, you're smarter than this. I think you like to just take the side, least in favor of the general consensus. Are you practicing debating skills here?

    Pros
    1) Future hall of fame corner back
    2) Best in the game at his position

    cons
    1) Held out twice already for money (NYC media can't let the story go, creates stories where there are none, Revis in the last year of his contract, "Revis, may or may not hold out again" awesome!)
    2) Busted knee
    3) Cap hell bc of Tanny
    4) Revis want 16mil next best corner in the league makes how much? 8mil?

    We are all in agreement that this is a rebuilding year, that has potential to be an also very exciting year (make it to the play offs, anything can happen). Revis, coming off major knee injury, in the last year of his contract, known for getting the biggest buck for his bang, Jets in desperate cap situation, in need of multiple players to help rebuild team, deep 2013 draft, 1st round 2013 pick offered and 3rd or 4th 2014 conditional pick offered, for a player who may never be as good as he was before the injury, is in the last year of his contract and will have absolutely no value to us at the end of the 2013 season bc we can't afford to pay his contract. It was the right move.

    Tanny messed the whole thing up giving money to Sanchez, the offensive lineman and Holmes. He was a terrible GM, that poorly estimated value. Sanchez was also poorly groomed as the Franchise QB. He should have never started in his first season. We should have never started a season with 40yr old Mark Brunell as the only backup. We should have never started a season with Matt Slauson and Wayne Hunter starting on the oline. The blame keeps going round and round, and finally stops at the front door of Mr. Idzik. I loved Revis, but I love the move for the Jets more.
     
  16. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Probably draft a mid to late round CB with some upside and let him work his way in. We couldn't be in a better position to do this with Rex, Thurman and McDonald on board. That's a lot of expertise to help a young guy make the jump.

    Richard Sherman was a 5th round pick.
     
  17. LeonNYJ

    LeonNYJ Well-Known Member

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    I would gladly be crappy for 3 years if it meant a decade of dominance and one or more Super Bowls.
     
  18. dmw

    dmw Well-Known Member

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    Revis and especially his legal team felt that they were more important than the Jets organization. That's the issue. If he was such a valuable player, how come there wasn't more than ONE team interested in trading for him? The answer is that his immense talent comes with a LOT of baggage. It's OK to get the most money possible, but he wanted money that just is not reasonable for his position.
     
  19. LongIslandBlitz

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    i cant wait to here the boos from Jet fans tommorow at Radio city Music hall its gonna be great everytime our pick comes in
     
  20. deerow84

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    Beat me to it, this is spot on.
     

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