Revis is solid

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  1. JetLifeLo

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    truth. I love our potential to be GREAT right now (defensively).. i just pray to God we can execute.
     
  2. 101GangGreen101

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    brah, but it's the year of the Geno, who needs a stinking defense?
     
  3. JetLifeLo

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    That's the spirit!!! ;) Y.O.T.G
     
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  4. PabloJa

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    You have Game Rewind or where are you watching them?
     
  5. Charlie Kelly

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    It's easy to hack Game Rewind, stop making excuses for why you don't know shit.
     
  6. MaximusD163

    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    Yep, Game Rewind. There's a couple of games missing from the 2009 season, but 2010 and on they have every game and the quality continues improving. I enjoy being able to go back and watch a season from a few years ago from start to finish.
     
  7. DaBallhawk

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    Everybody said he was outstanding then, people were saying his season was among the best of all time for a conerback. You can look up all the articles and comments from 2009 and 2010, they're still up. And people are saying the same thing now. He's not getting more credit now 5-6 years later because people believe something that didn't happen. He was just that great that year, that's a fact. You can look at all the numbers he put up, all the numbers the #1 receivers put up on him. Also, Bart Scott had a great year, Pro Bowl worthy. David Harris also had a great year. Not gonna comment on Eric Smith, but I remember Scott & Harris being Pro Bowl worthy that year, and Scott especially being dominant against the run and taking on blocks and allowing Harris to roam. Whether Revis had the best year of any corner, who knows. You can't measure that, it's up for discussion. You can't say for sure he did or he didn't. You'd have to look at who he played with, what QB he faced, what type of receivers he faced and in what type of situations he gave up catches or didn't (does it happen in crunch time, on 3rd downs, while being down or does it happen when we're up 2-3 touchdowns and playing more of a prevent defense)? Then you have to look at the system, the type of coverage they're playing, the pass rush. It's just impossible. I'd throw Champ Bailey in the mix, he was ridiculous that one year after he got traded to the Broncos. He was a true man corner who shut receivers down, even more athletic and with better stats. But I don't remember who he was facing and the rules have changed, it's much difficult now for corners to shut receivers down. I'm sure Deion would be up there as well, but who the hell is going to recall his performances. I don't have as much respect for zone corners like Charles Woodson, Asante Samuel, those Bears corners, Ty Law, Sherman, those guys. They're great at one thing, in a specific scheme/defense, that's about it. As an elite corner you have to be able to play man to man all the time and shut the best receivers down.
     
  8. PabloJa

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    I'm not sure if you're trying to convince me of something, because I already believe Revis had the best year of any CB in history in 2009. I think you're misinterpreting my post which was simply stating that Revis did not "take us to the AFC Champ game". No matter how incredible a CB plays, he can't carry a team through the playoffs. No playoff caliber offense consists of only one receiver.
     
  10. TwoHeadedMonster

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    No doubt Revis had one of the best years ever by a CB in 2009, but the best? I think that has to be Dick "Night Train" Lane's Rookie year of 1952:

    14 INTs, returned for 298 yards, and 2 TDs. Plus a safety. In 12 games.

    It's one thing to say Revis wasn't targeted because he shut down his side of the field-- but recognize that in 1952, nobody was targeted, because there were only an average of 28 pass attempts per team per game. A little math will show you that if your QB dropped back to pass against the LA Rams in 1952, there was more than a 4.1% chance that pass would end up on board the Night Train.

    For comparison purposes, in 2013, Richard Sherman snagged a league best 8 INTs over 16 games. Sherman almost a 1.4% chance of snagging a pass attempt against the Seahawks D. --Of course, Sherman is avoidable by just passing to the other side of the field, I just wanted to show how insane Lane's season was compared to a modern CB. For Sherman's season to have equaled Lanes, he would have had to pull in 23 INTs.
     
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    I'd agree but no single player can take a team anywhere by himself, not even a QB. Let's just say Revis had as big of an impact as anybody on our team that year.
     
  12. PabloJa

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    So how do I hack it, godammit?
     
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    Charles Woodson was a zone cb? WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT , AS YOU MUST NOT HAVE WATCHED TOO MANY of his games. C Woodson speciality was man to man defense.

    If we're going to be honest, go look at the teams the Jets played in 2009.( some Brutal offenses) How much does that play in how history eventually judges How great a year Revis had that year. There is no doubt Revis has been a top Cb, and one of the best Jets of all time. Very hard to compare top Cb's from different era's to say which one been the best.
     
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    cuz he's a jerk-off?
     
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    Fuck, if you hit can 300, you get to fuck up more than 2/3 of the time, and will be a superstar, make trillions without taking physical abuse, and go to the HoF. (And you never have to play in the rain, or snow)
     
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  17. DaBallhawk

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    Um, no. Try again.
     
  18. Ohnoit'sGeno

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    Just because you repeat something over and over , makes it any more right. C Woodson was a man to man cb( Drafted by the Raiders who played more man to man than any other team - Al Davis philosophy .( fact- don't know what Cb you're confusing C Woodson with( maybe Rondell Barber- cover two Cb) but what your saying is completely wrong.

    Can't post link( haven't made enough post yet to do so). Little excerpt from the Article.
    Since Woodson was drafted fourth overall in 1998, his total of 60 interceptions ranks sixth since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger, while the 11 interceptions he has returned for touchdowns stands as the second-highest mark, trailing Hall of Famer Rod Woodson by one.


    Woodson’s interceptions highlight his skill as a cover man, but he is also one of just eight defensive backs in NFL history to accumulate at least 20 sacks, a tribute to rare talent as a blitzer. That combination of skills is so unique in today’s game that Woodson stands as the only player in league history with 50 interceptions and 20 sacks.

    Over his career, he has excelled as an outside corner in man-to-man coverage and inside as a nickel back. He has lined up as a safety (his current position), a linebacker and even as a wide receiver. And this season, he has still been called on to return punts.

    In an era of increasing specialization, Woodson may be the finest all-round player in recent history. “He just understands the game,” said NFL Network analyst Curtis Conway, a former San Diego Chargers receiver who went up against Woodson. “As he’s got slower, he’s got smarter.”
     
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  19. DaBallhawk

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    It's Ronde Barber, first of all. Secondly we're not talking about 19 year old Woodson from 25 years ago when he came out. As he got older and as he switched teams he excelled as a zone corner for the Packers. The Packers don't even use a cover 0 or cover 1 defense, they run a similar scheme most NFC defenses do, relying on big/physical corners with great awareness and instincts to make plays in zone (see Al Harris and the list goes on and on). That's why those guys get so many interceptions, that's why they score so many touchdowns. You wouldn't be able to make that many plays on the ball if you play man coverage all the time, you wouldn't be able to return that many picks for touchdowns if you're playing man to man. Asomugha was a pure man corner, that's why he excelled in Oakland and flat out stunk once he got to the NFC where he was asked to play zone and off coverage. Charles Woodson became a stud once he got out of Oakland and once the Packers used him in a zone coverage scheme. Pure man corners don't blitz that much, pure man cornerbacks don't get 10+ picks each year, they don't score 20+ touchdowns. That's a typical zone corner with great instincts. Another example is Ronde Barber. I'm not gonna go back and forth for the next weeks with you on this so that's it from me. Watch him play, watch the Packers play. Anybody with a pair of eyes who watched him play would tell you that he's not what you'd consider a man corner.
     
  20. Ohnoit'sGeno

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    you're spinning dude. Keep trying to convince yourself you aren't talking out of your butt( claim one thing, and showed you were wrong on your point . You don't know what your talking about.

    Okay pure man cover Cb don't get a lot of interceptions, than explain Rod Woodson and Deion Sanders, Lester Hayes , and Mike Haynes. They were all zone cb's. ( Right)

    C Woodson was franchise tagged twice in Oakland- because he was top man to man cover cb in his time there. He didn't become a top cb when he went to the Packers.

    Do some research next time you want to debate me.
     

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