Who the hell knows? That's my point -- despite our desire to know every detail and every conversation that is had inside the team, nonsensical expectation that we deserve to know those details, and our discussing of those plans as if we do know those details, we don't know shit so nothing should be a surprise when it is finally revealed.
Revis debacle? He was a malcontent cunt who held out on us twice. We were in cap hell and in need of a major rebuild so we got rid of him for two picks. One of which turned into Sheldon Richardson. Then he became a free agent and wanted huge bucks and we didn't get him. Where is the " debacle" exactly? There are two ideas that float around this board way too fucking much 1) Revis would solve all our problems and we would be contenders with him right now---absolute stupidity 2) Rex Ryan is the only guy who can coach this defense and our D is sure to go backwards regardless of who we bring in as HC next year--- again, absolute stupidity with absolutely no facts, rhyme or reason to support it
Revis is a tough guy and a great player. But you can win without a great cover corner. And if Rex couldn't coach the D without one that's on his lack of talent as a coach.
I believe Revis' actual cap hit for 2014 was actually about $8 MM, the way the contract was structured.
He shouldn't necessarily and didn't need a HOF cover corner like Revis but maybe not saddling him with the pieces of shit that Idzik did would have helped.
I agree with both of you. A great coach finds a way to adapt his system to the personnel, which I feel Rex did NOT do--constantly calling blitzes even when the down and distance scream PLAY COVERAGE--and was reason the owner made the decision he did. And a great GM does not go into a season hoping that a second-year CB with 4 good games under his belt is the answer and drafts an oft-injured CB to be the backup answer. Hope for the best; plan for the worst was NOT done.
It took Rex way too long to adjust to the weaknesses in the secondary but he did eventually. They were still bad but at least they were able to get some stops down the stretch. Idzik though, those corners? fuckin A
I don't disagree about depending on Milliner. Even though he could end up being a good player. But I don't kill him for signing Patterson. After the first tier of guys he was one of the better Cbs. He had proven he can start. And they did try to sign Davis and DRC. It wasn't as if no effort was made to sign a good corner. But not every player elects to be a Jet or play for Rex. As for Cro. I have no problem with not signing him. People started complaining only after he started playing well for Arizona. And then making excuses for his bad play with us last year.
I'm no Rex Apologist. In fact, I feel like his scheme is overrated anyway. I feel it stunts the growth of young secondary players. And I really don't like blitzing a little guy so that Sheldon Richardson/Quinton Coples end up playing coverage. That worked a very small percentage of the time. I remember clearly the Broncos game: the Jets had Manning bottled up for the entire first half UNTIL Rex calls an all-out Blitz. Of course Jug Head sees it and completes a critical third down on the way to a score. There was NO NEED to do call the blitz, the Jets had been getting great, disciplined pressure on Manning and the Jets had his receivers covered. But, noooo, the 'mastermind' couldn't hold his water. It was then that I was through with Rex.
See, I fault him for his unwillingness to negotiate or pay a fair price for DRC. Idzik didn't try to sign him. He tried to sign him for cheap when he had ZERO leverage. and, please, Patterson? He wasn't even well suited to play outside. He was known for playing slot receivers. He was known for being a head case. Are we really going to go down this well-trodden road? Idzik failed. It's not about trying. This isn't Pop Warner where everyone gets a trophy. This is GM of the NYJ: It's about succeeding.
Even if I could look past the stupid, stupid Patterson signing.. (why should we?- but that's besides the point ) even If I could look past it.. he went AWOL on August 22nd.. at the time the injury prone Milliner was in bad shape with an ankle and McDougle was already shelved, how in bloody hell does a guy who rose to the ranks of General Manager not do something at that point to improve the CB position? Especially when he could look down the schedule and see the throwers that were lined up early in the year... especially with all the cap room in the world. Make a fuckin trade maybe? Sign a decent veteran still looking for a job maybe? that's the kind of dumbass decision-making that costs people their jobs. oh wait, it did. okay, I'll let it go. moot point now.
Well said. Ditching Revis (and then staying away from him) was one of the few no-brainers this team actually accomplished in the last 3 years.
Look like a lot of posters said earlier we don't know the complete story on that. We just know that he wasn't signed. People got bent out of shape because he was either going to sign with the Giants or us. He chose the Giants. We don't know all of the money details. Idzik was accused of trying to lowball DRC. (what's wrong with that). Not signing DRC had no bearing at all on our 2014 season.
Oh please. He was at our facility and stayed for quite a bit of time. Presumably, you don't waste hours of time visiting if a deal is not being negotiated. "had no bearing on our 2014 season" So, you're on the record saying that not having a legitimate starting caliber CB had no bearing on the season? Brother, this Idzik fetish you have...YOU NEED HELP!!!
It's something he had done many times before, that's why so many of us were not sad to see him go, and blamed him for some unnecessary losses. He singlehanded allowed the opposition to extend drive that wore his defenses out. Ironically he did not blitz a lot during the steelers game this year and forced Big Ben into some mistakes.
I liked the one blitz where everyone is standing up...that seems to work a fair percentage of the time. Many of the others fooled NOBODY and had the corners beat before the snap. My thought is: you've got three BEASTS up front to pass rush. If the QB is confused he has to take more time to throw or get rid of it quick. If you're playing coverage, you come up, make the tackle, and you're off the field. But noooooooo. He has to send 'the house' leaving his corners exposed. And, to me, on some of those blitzes, even if the Jets had Revis AND Lester Hayes with Stickum, they are getting beat. Remember the last play of the Minnesota game? 3rd and 11 or even more, he blitzes. Game over!! drove me insane. and I'm STILL not sane.
Lester Hayes, wow I do remember him. The Minnesota play bothered me, because Teddy audibled when he saw the blitz package. I did not know it was going to lead to a TD, but I was nervous to see the audible. Then during the interview with Teddy, he confirmed that he was given 2 plays by Norv, because they know rex likes to blitz and he was to make the adjustment based on what he saw. That is also my biggest pet peave, you have, coples, Wilkerson, richardon, put maybin at weak side LB and unleash the hounds, let everyone else play back and keep everything in front of you, pass coverage sacks count as well.
You don't know what really happened so why not admit it. Idzik is out the door but at least lets be honest with our facts. Not signing DRC was not a big deal. The Giants won six games with him.
