Fitz would have been great for continuity this year while Petty and Hackenberg had a chance to develop. He was never going to be a world beater, and I don't think it is worth having the Jets break the bank for him. Frankly I was concerned that the Jets were overpaying with their offer (which Fitz rejected) of three years for $24 million with $15 mil guaranteed and $12 mil this year. I certainly would not want them to offer him any more then that. Fitz had a decent year last year with a very good supporting cast, but he also choked when it mattered most in the last game of the year when the playoffs were on the line. The whole situation has become more then a distraction. The Jets should move on from him and focus on who is actually on the roster.
I don't really get what the beginning of both their careers have to do with it. We're not getting Fitz in his 5th season. We're getting him in his 11th after a career year, in the same offense. We don't need to figure out what Geno is by possibly tossing away a season on him, especially since I'd imagine the coaching staff has a pretty good grasp on what he is. I just don't get why everyone's so gung-ho about putting a less competitive product on the field to "see what we have" in a player. We have someone who turns the ball over at an alarming rate, takes bad sacks, and does tons of things the wrong way. He throws a nice ball to open receivers over the middle. He also got benched for Michael Vick. I hope he turns into the superstar you all think he's going to be and I'll gladly eat my crow on a 11-5 division winner. I'd say Fitz accounts for at least two more wins if not more. We'll see.
I posted it somewhere else. If he gets his $12 million or so this year, he's paid exactly what he should be as the 22nd paid QB in the league. It's simply the going rate for the position and a huge thanks to the fucking Eagles for screwing up the market at every we are dealing with this offseason. Some people are so concerned about this as if it's their money. Mo is locked up, we will most likely cut David Harris (and Revis if need be or a Mangold restructure), and our biggest free agent name next year is a busted Dee Milliner. What the fuck is everyone so worried about with the cap? They can also restructure Skrine, Gilchrist and cut Breno. Paying a premium at a premium position is the way of life in the NFL. A teams best shot is to Russell Wilson their way to a Superbowl, or pray their overpaid quarterbacks are going to be the entire offense. $15 million for 30 touchdowns is pretty much a bargain when the Chase Daniels (464 career passing yards) are getting an average annual salary of $7 million a year.
He already turned down a guaranteed $12 million this year. He wants more then $12 million and multiple years. He had 30 td's and he also had 15 ints (mostly in crucial spots). He would have been the best of a variety of bad choices for the Jets at QB this year. He is not worth paying $15m a year for multiple years for, period.
And you think he'll effectively end his career and retire over $3 million? I really think he'll caves. We shall see. As I stated earlier in this thread or another, he's only made an 8 figure salary once in his career, and hasn't touched over $4 million since he made $8 million in 2012. He has a net worth of $24 million. I'd bet he's down to make $13.5 million next year, which I believe will be the most he's ever made. I give us until August 15th before I jump off the ledge in saying we're screwed into a Geno season.
I said a while back I'm done speaking on this. No point anymore we all keep saying the same thing. I'm just going to wait and see how it plays out.
No one's concerned that it's their money.....The facts are that no matter which way you spin it, whatever we pay Fitz this season we will no longer have to use for this season and in the future. The only way you would be correct is if some Jet players take a flat out pay cut specifically for Fitz to come back which I don't see happening You say Fitz is a bargain and I'll just say Geno can be a much greater bargain if he can give us similar production or maybe even better.
That's the whole point...Geno is on his way up, not even close to his prime years and Fitz is on the way down if anything....I don't know of any QBs that get better in their 30s in the NFL We don't need to figure out what Geno is? Why not? Last time I checked we have one of the worst/most unknown QB situations in the league going forward. We're still very much searching for our franchise QB, hell even a solid QB for the future would be great. I agree that the coaching staff has a pretty good grasp on Geno's progress so if they give him a shot instead of dumping him for some other veteran, doesn't that tell you that they like what they see? I just don't think you can go far with Fitz and all of his limitations at QB. Maybe Geno proves to be worse and doesn't show much progress but if you think Fitz gives you failure in the end why would you not go with the guy that is unknown with a higher ceiling? Fitz has never been a good starter in this league....Last season is like the best you will ever see and he still couldn't get the job done with literally everything in place for that to happen. Schedule, Weapons, defense....you name it Sign a vet as Geno insurance if the wheels come off early, but I suspect we might be surprised in a good way
No joke. If the fucking guy is playing poker like this for high stakes, he has plans for money that retirement won't provide. He's bluffing. I can see him fake retiring during the preseason month just for show, and then signing for 6-10mil to the first team that loses their QB for the regular season and panics.
While i agree with you about Fitz , Carson Palmer just wanted to say hi. But as far as QB's prime age range this was a good read i bookmarked a while ago. http://www.footballperspective.com/quarterback-age-curves/
Of course there will be exceptions to the rule.....Based on that chart Geno is on the climb up and Fitz is going down just by age. Odds are heavily in that outcome
By now I don't even care who starts; it should be abundantly clear that neither Geno or Fitz provides the future for this team. As long as the young pups are not thrown to the wolves this year, I am a happy man.
That's what happens when you jump into a conversation mid way through without paying attention to what it was about. It was never about comparing Geno to Fitz as a QB today, it was about why some believe Geno has the possibility to improve and be a viable starter in the NFL after such a poor start. Fitz just happened to work well as a comparison. 1) Because he is the QB every one is clamoring for and 2) He had pretty similar shitty numbers in his beginning years starting in the NFL.
Geno is as dumb as his fan club and has not learned a thing Fitz is smarter than most of us and can get better with the Jets He also wants to get the best deal for himself , you can't blame him for trying After Smith craps out in preseason or the first 2 or 3 games in the reg season RF will have more leverage where he has none now This is probably his strategy: "Ill leave town and play golf you guys go and enjoy Geno lol. Jimmie Sexton is waiting for Macs call" Of course the FO could roll the dice with Smith and forget Fiiz entirely ...Possible but not probable
Does anyone think Foles could be released? At this point, he clearly isnt going to be the starter and I dont think he has a lot of dead money for STL if he is cut. He could easily win the Jets starting job if he hit the market. If Fitz isnt brought back, I would not be comfortable with Geno/Hackenburg/Petty going into the season.
I disagree that he could easily win the starting job. Foles isn't that good. He doesn't know the offense. Geno would have a big head start on him, and if Geno truly has matured, grown and improved, I don't think Foles could beat him out, much less "easily" do so.
Thats a huge "if." As nice as it would be, personally, I'm not expecting much improvement with Geno. I think Nick Foles is certainly better than what we have seen so far with Geno. You're right though. If Geno improves it would certainly be a close competition. Hopefully he does show the improvement everyone thinks he will.
